When disruption is normalized: What about the kids who want to learn?
- Joanne Jacobs

- Apr 2
- 2 min read
Schools are where we "teach the next generation how shared spaces work," writes Robert Pondiscio on Dispatch. Behavior norms have to be followed so teachers can teach and students can learn. Inclusion of the disorderly, disruptive and violent destroys the shared space.

Disorder can start small, he learned as a fifth-grade teacher at a South Bronx elementary school. "Behaviors once considered unacceptable become tolerated, then normalized." Eventually, "learning becomes secondary to managing chaos."
Teachers quit, destabilizing the school, he writes. School leaders are tempted to redefine their mission, making “social and emotional learning” a co-equal goal with academic instruction. (It's convenient to have a goal that isn't tested, so nobody can say it's not being met.)
"The moral dilemma at the center of discipline debates is almost invariably framed around the disruptive child," writes Pondiscio. "Suspending a student means excluding him from class. It means denying him access to an education. But allowing him to stay can deny opportunity to a far greater number of students."
It is in school where children first encounter the idea that their freedom ends where someone else’s rights begin. It is where they learn that effort precedes reward, that shared spaces require restraint, and that rules are not merely suggestions. If those lessons dissolve in the classroom, the effects . . . migrate outward into every other shared space and institution.
Expanding inclusion is a "moral achievement," Pondiscio writes. Schools should "offer all students the opportunity to participate in common classroom life." But, behavior that "undermines a school's purpose" -- which is learning -- should not be tolerated. "Learning requires the fragile conditions of order, attention, and shared norms."
Teachers are fed up with students who ignore school rules, disrespect authority and disrupt classrooms, reports an EdWeek survey. Often, there are "no serious repercussions for students when they misbehave," teachers said in open-ended responses.
"Some teachers are clear about what their schools need to do: Remove students who misbehave, disrupt class, or are violent toward teachers or other students," writes Olina Banerji. Forty-four percent said "placing more students with 'behavioral challenges in a separate class or school' would have a major positive impact on how they manage their classrooms."
But removing students with behavioral disabilities from mainstream classrooms could conflict with inclusion rules in special-education law, she notes. Students are supposed to be in the “least restrictive environment” possible.
Teachers said they've considered quitting because of disruptive and violent students.
"We need to get rid of the laws/regulations that limit which students can be suspended and what they can be suspended for," a Georgia teacher told EdWeek.
Full inclusion is cheaper than staffing a separate classroom for violent and extremely disruptive students, said a California teacher. But "those views need to be reexamined."
Teachers aren't supposed to touch a student who's throwing a tantrum. Instead, they're told to clear all the other students out, so they won't be injured. "When one student trashes a classroom, I don't think it's fair that the other 18 kids have to evacuate the room," a Vermont teacher said. "The student causing the harm should be the one removed."



The problem of disruptive students originates in the legal/institutional environment that many speakers of American English call "public education" or "the public school system". This environment features:
Compulsory attendance (truancy) statutes, applied to children
Compulsory attendance (educational neglect) statutes, applied to parents
Tax support of school
Policies which restrict parents' options for the use of the taxpayers' sub-adult education subsidy to schools operated by dues-paying members of the NEA/AFT/AFSCME cartel.
The problem would shrink to insignificance in a legal/institutional environment in which customers (i.e., parents) and education providers (i.e., schools or tutors) meet on mutually-agreed-upon terms.
In a voucher-subsidized competitive market in education services, compulsory attendance laws mean nothing unless, for every child whom all other schools reject, there is…
This works in conjunction with the previous post in that the "smart" kids will be able to find non-disruptive learning via homeschool or learning online. It's a problem for the very young ones where school is mostly child care and they can't escape the damaging classrooms.
Increasingly, having gone to k12 and even now college is no signal of being able to function in the economic world. So why waste the best years of your life in the institutions? That is not to say, not to work to become educated, but schooling is increasingly an impediment to developing human capital. Many schools don't even teach reading, writing and arithmetic to any effect anymore.
In my day, kids who were CONSTANT troublemakers in class were sent to Opportunity School, and
this was the place where all the screw-ups were sent in the district in middle and high school.
When you got sent to opportunity school, you pretty much were in a very controlled environment with security and discipline enforced (of course when I was in high school, the legal age to drop out was 16, so when a lot of kids who simply hated school turned 16, we never saw them again).
In those days, the grapevine was known as the land line phone, and when someone got sent to Opportunity School, everyone knew it within 24 hours or less...and usually it was the…
If schools want to remove all disruptive students, then the school will have to be willing to remove more male students than female and more black students than Asian-Americans on a per capita basis. However, just like K-12 public education does not like failing student due to the racial and gender issues, K-12 public education does not like disciplining students.
Of course, conservative will propose a 100% school choice system to solve the discipline problem because the suspensions, expulsions, and special need students will be lost in the lack of real data.
The key is going to be to establish the fundamentals of education as a civil right.
If a child has a civil right to an education, than they have a right to an environment in which they can safely learn. Disruptions and distractions, therefore, are a violation of civil rights. Placing a person who is known to disrupt in a class constitutes violation of civil rights. State actors can be individually sued for violating civil rights and do not get state protection. If 2 or more people take such an action, that would constitute "Conspiracy to Violate Civil Rights" under US Code 219. This code includes provisions for fines, jail time, and death (though only if death resulted fro…