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Parlez vous rien: Why require a foreign language that kids won't really learn?

Writer: Joanne Jacobs
Joanne Jacobs
Aug 6
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Why require a few, useless years of a foreign language?, asks Fordham's Michael Petrilli. Almost nobody becomes fluent in another language by taking it in school, and the time spent exchanging stilted greetings in French or Spanish could be devoted to studying something students might actually learn. Or getting an extra hour of sleep.


Whether it's a state mandate or pressure from colleges, "let's stop pretending," he writes. Going through the motions of teaching foreign languages contributes to the “bull-shittification” of the American high school. There's no need to keep piling it on, "especially now that people can stick AirPods in their ears and hear what a foreign language speaker is saying."


There are "potential benefits from immersing yourself in a second language and culture," Petrilli writes. It's supposed to be good for the brain. But few students start early enough to make a difference.


Some agree with Petrilli on the futility of "world language" requirements, he writes in a follow-up.


At GEO schools in Indiana, writes Kevin Teasley, students often graduate with a two-year or four-year college degree, but not an honors diploma, because they don't have time for a foreign language.


Others say more elementary schools should offer dual-language immersion programs, which typically mix English-learning and English-only students. "Those programs are extremely effective at supporting English learners" and "they're also popular with English-dominant families," writes Conor Williams. "This is creating pressure on school districts to expand secondary foreign language options. We can’t cut those now." Multilingual teaching "supports immigrant integration, tolerance, and social cohesion; and it’s good economics," he argues.


Sara Mead, also a fan of early dual immersion, suggests changing "licensing and certification requirements to allow schools to hire more people who are native speakers and truly proficient in the language."


I went to an excellent suburban high school that had two French teachers, one of whom spoke both English and French with the accent of the Tennessee hill country. She was also deaf. I realized that if I looked confident, she would assume I was speaking French correctly. My grade in classroom participation went to an "A," which gave me an "A" in the class. It was a valuable lesson, though not a lesson in French. I discovered when I tried to learn Spanish, many years later, that I know a great many French nouns. Verbs, non.


I'd like to see high schools pare down graduation requirements and focus more on raising achievement in core academic classes. Let high achievers take advanced academic classes, career classes or fun electives.

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Malcolm Kirkpatrick
Malcolm Kirkpatrick
Aug 08

Beware prescribing for other people's children. Parents should have the power to prescribe curricula and methods of instruction for their own children.

Maybe teach C++ and the notation of Set Theory and Logic to third graders.

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Cranberry
Aug 07
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I am now fluent in a language I learned in college, not high school, but the languages I started learning in high school made it easier to learn other languages. Learning vocabulary is a skill that can itself be learned. It is not a skill limited to foreign languages; every student in a technical profession needs to learn the vocabulary required for that profession.


Making flashcards and learning from those flashcards is work, but it isn't difficult work. The discipline of setting one's mind to a task, and being judged by others on one's progress, is an important part of learning.


There are people for whom learning a language is much more difficult than it is for others, especially people…


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Ann in L.A.
Aug 08
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In order to learn another language, language teachers often have to start by teaching English in ways we don't learn in English classes.

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Bruce William Smith
Aug 07
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As someone who once supervised instruction in the largest and (by one ranking) highest-rated language school in Seoul, Korea, and someone who has meaningfully communicated in seven languages in his lifetime, I think that the most valuable benefit from additional language learning is learning to think differently, to see that the assumptions built into one's native language are not universally agreed upon or accepted, and to begin to see the world from perspectives different from those one even imagined existed.

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Suzanne
Aug 06
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This is a ridiculous idea. Why bother having kids learn sciences, if they're not going to become scientists? Why bother having kids learn to play musical instruments, if they're not going to become professional musicians? (Some students will become scientists, others will become true musicians.)


Is there a value in learning sciences, or musical instruments? I dare to think there's also value in learning foreign languages. I don't think that ordering meals or buying train tickets in the country where they speak the language you've studied is the ideal goal. (For successful fluency, you will have to live in the foreign country, I would guess.)


What can you learn from studying a foreign language? Probably you will have to maste…


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Cranberry
Aug 06
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As far as I can tell, American public schools don't teach grammar, which is essential for coherent writing. Thus, to end foreign language instruction in school would severely damage students' ability to write essays.


As a matter of national security, it is necessary to have Americans fluent in foreign languages, who do not have family ties to the country in question. Think about the pressure that can be put on analysts by threats to their families.


Students who cannot speak a foreign language will be shut out of jobs which require a knowledge of foreign languages, including the opportunity to live and work in foreign countries.


Colleges do know what students need to succeed in college. I didn't enjoy learni…


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superdestroyer
Aug 13
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I guess controlling oneself for more than week was a too big an ask. Remember:


Joanne Jacobs

Aug 04

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I'll say it again: Please argue calmly and respectfully. It's better for my nerves and more persuasive

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