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		<title>Comment on Study: Group discussion lowers IQ by Michael E. Lopez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael E. Lopez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, maybe you think I&#039;m a moron &lt;i&gt;anyway&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, maybe you think I&#8217;m a moron <i>anyway</i>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Study: Group discussion lowers IQ by Michael E. Lopez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael E. Lopez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In many &quot;group discussion&quot; situations, there is insufficient time to actually make your point, so the entire event becomes an exercise in everyone having their say, for the mere purpose of having their say (as opposed to getting anything substantive done).

In other situations, there is insufficient &lt;i&gt;interest&lt;/i&gt; (rather than time).

I know that, for my part, I just shut up in situations like that and wait for it to mercifully end.  You&#039;d probably think I was a moron to watch it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In many &#8220;group discussion&#8221; situations, there is insufficient time to actually make your point, so the entire event becomes an exercise in everyone having their say, for the mere purpose of having their say (as opposed to getting anything substantive done).</p>
<p>In other situations, there is insufficient <i>interest</i> (rather than time).</p>
<p>I know that, for my part, I just shut up in situations like that and wait for it to mercifully end.  You&#8217;d probably think I was a moron to watch it all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Shop is not a four-letter word by Cal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, romanticize away. Votech costs money, and that&#039;s why it isn&#039;t coming back at individual schools. It makes sense to start vo-tech schools for students who want to test out of regular school at 16, but they will have to be centralized.

And really, vo-tech is not for kids who can&#039;t do algebra and English lit. It&#039;s for kids who can, but don&#039;t want to. That&#039;s a small group these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, romanticize away. Votech costs money, and that&#8217;s why it isn&#8217;t coming back at individual schools. It makes sense to start vo-tech schools for students who want to test out of regular school at 16, but they will have to be centralized.</p>
<p>And really, vo-tech is not for kids who can&#8217;t do algebra and English lit. It&#8217;s for kids who can, but don&#8217;t want to. That&#8217;s a small group these days.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Shop is not a four-letter word by momof4</title>
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		<dc:creator>momof4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS: I should have included the fact that the HS in question does have academics, but they are geared to their population and kids are given as much as they are able to handle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: I should have included the fact that the HS in question does have academics, but they are geared to their population and kids are given as much as they are able to handle.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Shop is not a four-letter word by momof4</title>
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		<dc:creator>momof4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vo tech really isn&#039;t for this group, which can be very well-served by good spec ed programs. The county in which my kids grew up had (and still has) a spec ed MS and HS, where the focus was not on academics, but on maximizing what the kids were able to do. The two families I knew well, both with cognitively impaired kids, both chose to send their kids to that school, rather than the top-ranked academic high schools in their regular attendence area which their siblings attended. Despite the HS reputations for good spec ed programs, their focus was on academic subjects, not preparation for as much independence as possible and for life/job skills. 

 Since we&#039;ve moved, we&#039;ve lost contact with one family, so we don&#039;t know what their son has done since his graduation, but the other grad has been working as a housekeeper for a major hotel chain for the last two decades. Even though she isn&#039;t able to live alone, she knows how to take the bus to work and do a good job. As her parents said at the time, the pretense that she is able to do algebra, understand history, read literature or handle abstractions, does her no good. Thanks to the training she received, she is a productive citizen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vo tech really isn&#8217;t for this group, which can be very well-served by good spec ed programs. The county in which my kids grew up had (and still has) a spec ed MS and HS, where the focus was not on academics, but on maximizing what the kids were able to do. The two families I knew well, both with cognitively impaired kids, both chose to send their kids to that school, rather than the top-ranked academic high schools in their regular attendence area which their siblings attended. Despite the HS reputations for good spec ed programs, their focus was on academic subjects, not preparation for as much independence as possible and for life/job skills. </p>
<p> Since we&#8217;ve moved, we&#8217;ve lost contact with one family, so we don&#8217;t know what their son has done since his graduation, but the other grad has been working as a housekeeper for a major hotel chain for the last two decades. Even though she isn&#8217;t able to live alone, she knows how to take the bus to work and do a good job. As her parents said at the time, the pretense that she is able to do algebra, understand history, read literature or handle abstractions, does her no good. Thanks to the training she received, she is a productive citizen.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Homework for parents by Deirdre Mundy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deirdre Mundy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I decided to home school my kids, various relatives suggested I send them to &#039;real&#039; school and just home school at night to make sure they got a decent education. It seems that this has now become official school policy!

But if you&#039;re going to have to teach them yourself anyway and don&#039;t need the free daycare, why bother with the public schools in the first place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I decided to home school my kids, various relatives suggested I send them to &#8216;real&#8217; school and just home school at night to make sure they got a decent education. It seems that this has now become official school policy!</p>
<p>But if you&#8217;re going to have to teach them yourself anyway and don&#8217;t need the free daycare, why bother with the public schools in the first place?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Study: Group discussion lowers IQ by Linda Aragoni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Aragoni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Research has found that having students write informally prior to oral discussion results in more students participating in the discussion. One suggested explanation is that writing lets students see that they actually know something about a topic. 

Improvement in class discussion is just one of the reasons I think all teachers ought to have informal writing in their toolkits.  My latest ebook  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.you-can-teach-writing.com/informal-writing-book.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Shape Learning, Reshape Teaching deals&lt;/a&gt; with uses of informal writing. Here&#039;s a link to a flip book of the table of contents and other front matter: http://snack.to/5anzSn0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Research has found that having students write informally prior to oral discussion results in more students participating in the discussion. One suggested explanation is that writing lets students see that they actually know something about a topic. </p>
<p>Improvement in class discussion is just one of the reasons I think all teachers ought to have informal writing in their toolkits.  My latest ebook  <a href="http://www.you-can-teach-writing.com/informal-writing-book.html" rel="nofollow">Shape Learning, Reshape Teaching deals</a> with uses of informal writing. Here&#8217;s a link to a flip book of the table of contents and other front matter: <a href="http://snack.to/5anzSn0" rel="nofollow">http://snack.to/5anzSn0</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Homework for parents by Cranberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cranberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why have kids if you aren’t going to participate in all of their activities. &lt;/i&gt;

Because it&#039;s the definition of a helicopter parent?  High school students should not be helped by their parents.  It&#039;s too late in high school.  If a high school student isn&#039;t doing his homework, the problem started long ago.  If a school expects the parents of a high school student to provide motivation, it&#039;s not going to work. 

At much younger ages, parents can help children by making time in the schedule for homework to be done, and making completed homework a family priority.  

Parents can also help by judiciously teaching their children the standard algorithms, which Everyday Math doesn&#039;t teach.  They can insist their kids do arithmetic by hand.  They can practice the times tables with the kids, because those need to be automatic.  

There&#039;s a great deal of sensible homework.  Sending kindergarteners home with a problem which, no joke, would require a system of equations to solve?  That&#039;s ridiculous, which is why I remember it to this day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Why have kids if you aren’t going to participate in all of their activities. </i></p>
<p>Because it&#8217;s the definition of a helicopter parent?  High school students should not be helped by their parents.  It&#8217;s too late in high school.  If a high school student isn&#8217;t doing his homework, the problem started long ago.  If a school expects the parents of a high school student to provide motivation, it&#8217;s not going to work. </p>
<p>At much younger ages, parents can help children by making time in the schedule for homework to be done, and making completed homework a family priority.  </p>
<p>Parents can also help by judiciously teaching their children the standard algorithms, which Everyday Math doesn&#8217;t teach.  They can insist their kids do arithmetic by hand.  They can practice the times tables with the kids, because those need to be automatic.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a great deal of sensible homework.  Sending kindergarteners home with a problem which, no joke, would require a system of equations to solve?  That&#8217;s ridiculous, which is why I remember it to this day.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;Degree creep&#8217; for health careers by Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 06:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this article interesting...hoping to see more commenters.  One thing I was curious about...can one take the R.D. exam with only a community college degree?

I&#039;ve been a preceptor for a BSN program in the past...meaning students shadow me and get involved as their skill level allows.  I&#039;ll honestly say that despite the fact that this BSN program has a positive reputation, I&#039;m not sure it is worth the extra money as compared to the average associate&#039;s degree nursing program.

Institutions do go through periods where they will only hire BSNs...a little easier to do right now, not as easy in the past.

There is quite a range in compensation for entry level nursing jobs.  I&#039;m not sure that nursing would be appealing as a job choice if we expect people to pay the price of a 4 year education in order to get a job at the lower end of the pay scale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this article interesting&#8230;hoping to see more commenters.  One thing I was curious about&#8230;can one take the R.D. exam with only a community college degree?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been a preceptor for a BSN program in the past&#8230;meaning students shadow me and get involved as their skill level allows.  I&#8217;ll honestly say that despite the fact that this BSN program has a positive reputation, I&#8217;m not sure it is worth the extra money as compared to the average associate&#8217;s degree nursing program.</p>
<p>Institutions do go through periods where they will only hire BSNs&#8230;a little easier to do right now, not as easy in the past.</p>
<p>There is quite a range in compensation for entry level nursing jobs.  I&#8217;m not sure that nursing would be appealing as a job choice if we expect people to pay the price of a 4 year education in order to get a job at the lower end of the pay scale.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Homework for parents by Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 06:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our school used the TERC curriculum mentioned above.  It is really quite dreadful.  One of my objections is that many of the activities didn&#039;t seem age appropriate....having third graders doing tons of coloring and cutting with very little math in between.  Or the kid would come home with homework that introduced a skill that hadn&#039;t been practiced in the classroom yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our school used the TERC curriculum mentioned above.  It is really quite dreadful.  One of my objections is that many of the activities didn&#8217;t seem age appropriate&#8230;.having third graders doing tons of coloring and cutting with very little math in between.  Or the kid would come home with homework that introduced a skill that hadn&#8217;t been practiced in the classroom yet.</p>
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