California needs more educated workers

California isn’t producing the college-educated workers its economy needs, warns a new report. The higher education system must be redesigned to serve an increasingly diverse and low-income population, the report advises.

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  1. According to CBO data, 73% of the illegal immigrants in the US are from Mexico (59%) and Central America. Of those, 54% are HS dropouts. They’re probably in the “low-skilled” category. That’s a big chunk of CA’s problem (same elsewhere) I also expect that this population is disproportionately likely to be among those immigrants who go “home” for Christmas (if legal spouse or anchor baby), taking their kids out of school for 6-8 weeks. A teacher relative sees that in the DC suburbs – but only in this population; NEVER Asians. That’s two strikes; no educated parents and not enough parent commitment to education.

    • Deirdre Mundy says:

      Why does CA need to produce its own workers? There are always educated young people willing to move there b/c of the weather and coolness factors. It’s only middle-aged people with kids who think a lot about housing prices, taxes, and whatnot…

      • The Barn Owl says:

        [QUOTE] “Why does CA need to produce its own workers? There are always educated young people willing to move there b/c of the weather and coolness factors. It’s only middle-aged people with kids who think a lot about housing prices, taxes, and whatnot…” [/QUOTE]
        I’ve been applying to jobs in CA for almost two years (I’m employed, but I want something that actually has a future) and I never get anything back beyond the automated email or rejection emails… even after with talking to HR reps (talk about a maze to get to one of those people).

        One HR person told me that I fit 100% for the position, but because I lived out of state, they didn’t want to consider me as a candidate. The HR representative told me that they rather not risk hiring someone who was out of state because they didn’t want to pay for someone for relocation (which I told her I have the money to relocate). She noted it. I got a rejection letter a day later, so I am guessing it didn’t matter, there must’ve been other reasons for not considering for a candidate I’m guessing they can wait for someone in state… the position is still open the last time I checked (3 months so far).

        • Barn Owl – CA is a very expensive State to live in – particularly the areas with lots of jobs – so out of Staters tend to leave very quickly unless they came with lots of $ to begin with. So, HR Deps are leery of out of State applicants. Good luck. It’s possible to get hired, but more difficult for non- Californians.

      • It’s just an anecdote, but my DD’s former roommate’s NYC job moved to Santa Monica and she left CA within a year and the company has since left CA. Said roomie is a Texan.

    • This is nonsense; most illegal immigrants cannot take the risk of travelling out of the country. You think that the re-arrival back to the country is easy for illegal immigrants? Very few immigrants can take a 6 week vacation for christmas. Most immigrants are lucky to get a few day break.

      I would agree if you had argued that the Hispanic immigrants are high school drop outs in their own country; belong to the poorer indio subgroups; and a combination of lower cognitive ability, and lower parental educational acievement/SES leads to their children having lower education achievements. To attribute it to vacations, is just nonsense.

      • The previous email is a response to momof4 colorful anecdotes.

        • My relative and her colleagues were not imagining the disappearance and reappearance of their students and the explanation given for their absence. I specifically mentioned those with a legal spouse or an anchor baby, also.

        • Well, Vijay, you’re funny. I’m in a different state that momof4, I see it here too. Since the family is in the construction business, it’s really easy for them to take a six week+ break and go back to the old country…typically they are gone as soon as cement can’t be poured and return in March. The teachers just make notes of progress so they can restart the children at their instructional level in their rTi classes when they return.

          • The admins get a lot of records requests for kids who don’t return to the same school. Major loss of instructional time + likely not speaking English + forgetting previous academic material + changing schools = substandard performance. What a surprise. I’d forgotten, but one of my kids played soccer with a kid whose family did this for several years – father worked for a landscaper and mom did childcare for other families who also went “home” in the winter – while the kids were still in ES. That would be 20 years ago.

      • Mark Roulo says:

        A former sister-in-law of mine taught for two years through TFA and saw the same thing in her hispanic/latino/whatever students that momof4 reported. She found it very frustrating (especially so for math classes … which is what she taught). The kids (and their parents) may have been here legally (green card, citizen, whatever), but the “take off for six weeks in the middle of the school year” idea was alive and well. For all of them? No, of course, not. But for enough to be noticed.

        • The issue is not being away for 6 weeks for a few immigrants. The issue here is large scale IMMIGRATION. We can have every Mexican immigrant present very day and all summer in school, and it would not make a difference to produce the kind of workers California needs. basically the wrong kind of immigrants present.

          Cute vignettes and anecdotes from life cannot replace raw data.

          • Mark Roulo says:

            I was responding to your claim on “nonsense”.

             

            I haven’t claimed that this absence caused any particular result.

  2. California could always stop giving sanctuary to immigrants who are prone to drop out of school, and the remainder of the population would be better-educated by default.  Giving sanctuary to ones like the murderer of the Bologna family is just insane.

  3. Here’s a graph that sums up how Americans did by race versus all the countries tested:

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/graph-of-2012-pisa-scores-for-65_4.html

    In general, American kids did okay. Asian Americans scored pretty well relative to East Asian countries, European Americans outscored many European countries, and Latino Americans did better than all Latin American countries.