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	<title>Comments on: What Philadelphia parents want</title>
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		<title>By: Lou Gots</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2010/07/what-philadelphia-parents-want/#comment-60489</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou Gots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 01:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is instuctive to note where Philadlphia teachers send their own children.  My admittedly anecdotal observation based on  two years teaching in Philadelphia is anyplace but.  Something about those I.D.S.I. incidents in the middle school firetowers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is instuctive to note where Philadlphia teachers send their own children.  My admittedly anecdotal observation based on  two years teaching in Philadelphia is anyplace but.  Something about those I.D.S.I. incidents in the middle school firetowers.</p>
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		<title>By: allen</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2010/07/what-philadelphia-parents-want/#comment-60488</link>
		<dc:creator>allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dodging again. Remember, the problems of public education would go away without all those politicians mucking it up? That was your complaint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dodging again. Remember, the problems of public education would go away without all those politicians mucking it up? That was your complaint.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike in Texas</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2010/07/what-philadelphia-parents-want/#comment-60487</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this has WHAT to do with the story?

As for dodging issues, you are the champion.  I noticed you haven&#039;t looked up Ohio Charter school achievement so here&#039;s a nice little link for you.

http://www.kidsohio.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/public-charter-schools-in-ohio-key-facts_kidsohio-org_042309-read-only.pdf

Be sure to check out pages 9 and 10.

Ah, I know you want so here are the facts:

Charter schools receiving a D or F:  64%
Public schools receiving a D or F: 14%

Now what your step Allen and be sure you don&#039;t let the facts and the truth trip you up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this has WHAT to do with the story?</p>
<p>As for dodging issues, you are the champion.  I noticed you haven&#8217;t looked up Ohio Charter school achievement so here&#8217;s a nice little link for you.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kidsohio.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/public-charter-schools-in-ohio-key-facts_kidsohio-org_042309-read-only.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.kidsohio.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/public-charter-schools-in-ohio-key-facts_kidsohio-org_042309-read-only.pdf</a></p>
<p>Be sure to check out pages 9 and 10.</p>
<p>Ah, I know you want so here are the facts:</p>
<p>Charter schools receiving a D or F:  64%<br />
Public schools receiving a D or F: 14%</p>
<p>Now what your step Allen and be sure you don&#8217;t let the facts and the truth trip you up.</p>
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		<title>By: allen</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2010/07/what-philadelphia-parents-want/#comment-60486</link>
		<dc:creator>allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And as usual you dodge the question.

So Mike, how do you propose to run a political organization without politicians?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And as usual you dodge the question.</p>
<p>So Mike, how do you propose to run a political organization without politicians?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike in Texas</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2010/07/what-philadelphia-parents-want/#comment-60485</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allen,

But it hasn&#039;t.  Charters have been in place in many state for years, with results that don&#039;t match the hype.  Check out the achievement on Ohio charters and you&#039;ll see for yourself.

Not that you&#039;ll believe it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allen,</p>
<p>But it hasn&#8217;t.  Charters have been in place in many state for years, with results that don&#8217;t match the hype.  Check out the achievement on Ohio charters and you&#8217;ll see for yourself.</p>
<p>Not that you&#8217;ll believe it.</p>
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		<title>By: allen</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2010/07/what-philadelphia-parents-want/#comment-60484</link>
		<dc:creator>allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 09:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah Mike, I forgot that when faced with the political nature of public education you retreat to the fantasy of the Dictatorship of the Pedagogiat.

The irony is that charters and vouchers will produce what you claim to want, a public education system much freer of the influences of politics then the current system, and which you rail against.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah Mike, I forgot that when faced with the political nature of public education you retreat to the fantasy of the Dictatorship of the Pedagogiat.</p>
<p>The irony is that charters and vouchers will produce what you claim to want, a public education system much freer of the influences of politics then the current system, and which you rail against.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2010/07/what-philadelphia-parents-want/#comment-60483</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“This is perhaps the silliest thing I’ve read in a while…” “What an idiotic statement…”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Curmudgeon is obviously a public school teacher.

It would seem to me that a parents who would go to the trouble of enrolling their kids into a charter school are likely predisposed to being critical towards their childrens’ schools. And having made the move to a charter, what would be the likely reaction if these parents are disappointed with the results, or if they see no great improvement for all their effort?

While this doesn’t rule out selection bias, it certainly casts doubt on the inevitability of bias, as well as the direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“This is perhaps the silliest thing I’ve read in a while…” “What an idiotic statement…”</p></blockquote>
<p>Curmudgeon is obviously a public school teacher.</p>
<p>It would seem to me that a parents who would go to the trouble of enrolling their kids into a charter school are likely predisposed to being critical towards their childrens’ schools. And having made the move to a charter, what would be the likely reaction if these parents are disappointed with the results, or if they see no great improvement for all their effort?</p>
<p>While this doesn’t rule out selection bias, it certainly casts doubt on the inevitability of bias, as well as the direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2010/07/what-philadelphia-parents-want/#comment-60482</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;This is perhaps the silliest thing I’ve read in a while...&quot;  &quot;What an idiotic statement...&quot;

Curmudgeon is obviously a public school teacher.

It would seem to me that a parents who would go to the trouble of enrolling their kids into a charter school are likely predisposed to being critical towards their childrens&#039; schools.  And having made the move to a charter, what would be the likely reaction if these parents are disappointed with the results, or if they see no great improvement for all their effort?

While this doesn&#039;t rule out selection bias, it certainly casts doubt on the inevitability of bias, as well as the direction.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;This is perhaps the silliest thing I’ve read in a while&#8230;&#8221;  &#8220;What an idiotic statement&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Curmudgeon is obviously a public school teacher.</p>
<p>It would seem to me that a parents who would go to the trouble of enrolling their kids into a charter school are likely predisposed to being critical towards their childrens&#8217; schools.  And having made the move to a charter, what would be the likely reaction if these parents are disappointed with the results, or if they see no great improvement for all their effort?</p>
<p>While this doesn&#8217;t rule out selection bias, it certainly casts doubt on the inevitability of bias, as well as the direction.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Mike in Texas</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2010/07/what-philadelphia-parents-want/#comment-60481</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah, a conspiracy of fat cat POLITCIANS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah, a conspiracy of fat cat POLITCIANS!</p>
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		<title>By: allen</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2010/07/what-philadelphia-parents-want/#comment-60480</link>
		<dc:creator>allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And heading up that &quot;reform&quot; crowd is...drum roll...Secretary of Education Duncan and the guy who hired him!

So Mike, what&#039;s the word from Public Education Central about Race To The Top? Another conspiracy by fat cat Republicans to line their pockets at the expense of the darling, little tykes who would otherwise be enjoying the undiluted compassion of the public education system?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And heading up that &#8220;reform&#8221; crowd is&#8230;drum roll&#8230;Secretary of Education Duncan and the guy who hired him!</p>
<p>So Mike, what&#8217;s the word from Public Education Central about Race To The Top? Another conspiracy by fat cat Republicans to line their pockets at the expense of the darling, little tykes who would otherwise be enjoying the undiluted compassion of the public education system?</p>
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