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		<title>By: Ben F</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2010/03/curriculum-is-key-teachers-say/#comment-56000</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 01:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cal,

One of the big myths of education, in my opinion, is that a good teacher is a good teacher is a good teacher.  I am able to be a good teacher if I have a good curriculum that I&#039;m very familiar with in a subject area that I know a lot about.  I become a bad teacher when I&#039;m forced to teach a bad curriculum, especially if it&#039;s in an area that I don&#039;t know a lot about. When I taught character ed (not my major) with a wretched curriculum several years ago, classes were wretched and I&#039;m sure those students thought I was a bad teacher.  When I get to teach world history, my forte, and have time to build my own curriculum (a massive undertaking that few ed leaders seem to appreciate) I often feel I&#039;m doing a very formidable job. Curriculum matters a lot more than most lay people seem to realize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cal,</p>
<p>One of the big myths of education, in my opinion, is that a good teacher is a good teacher is a good teacher.  I am able to be a good teacher if I have a good curriculum that I&#8217;m very familiar with in a subject area that I know a lot about.  I become a bad teacher when I&#8217;m forced to teach a bad curriculum, especially if it&#8217;s in an area that I don&#8217;t know a lot about. When I taught character ed (not my major) with a wretched curriculum several years ago, classes were wretched and I&#8217;m sure those students thought I was a bad teacher.  When I get to teach world history, my forte, and have time to build my own curriculum (a massive undertaking that few ed leaders seem to appreciate) I often feel I&#8217;m doing a very formidable job. Curriculum matters a lot more than most lay people seem to realize.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike in Texas</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2010/03/curriculum-is-key-teachers-say/#comment-55999</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 12:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cal said:

&lt;blockquote&gt; It’s not hard to make any curriculum work, and as a teacher you’ve got a lot of control over how you deliver the curriculum.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I guess you&#039;ve never heard of Open Court Reading, Direct Instruction or Everyday Mathematics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cal said:</p>
<blockquote><p> It’s not hard to make any curriculum work, and as a teacher you’ve got a lot of control over how you deliver the curriculum.</p></blockquote>
<p>I guess you&#8217;ve never heard of Open Court Reading, Direct Instruction or Everyday Mathematics?</p>
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		<title>By: Cal</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2010/03/curriculum-is-key-teachers-say/#comment-55998</link>
		<dc:creator>Cal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 06:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of teachers believe that if you just have the perfect curriculum, the kids will be engaged and learning--and good behavior--will happen.

What puzzles me, though, is why the teachers feel this is imposed by others. It&#039;s not hard to make any curriculum work, and as a teacher you&#039;ve got a lot of control over how you deliver the curriculum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of teachers believe that if you just have the perfect curriculum, the kids will be engaged and learning&#8211;and good behavior&#8211;will happen.</p>
<p>What puzzles me, though, is why the teachers feel this is imposed by others. It&#8217;s not hard to make any curriculum work, and as a teacher you&#8217;ve got a lot of control over how you deliver the curriculum.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Roulo</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2010/03/curriculum-is-key-teachers-say/#comment-55997</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Roulo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 02:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Isn’t it likely that those taking the poll read into the question, realizing that it was poorly written and that they would distort the survey results if they took it literally?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Now *THAT* I can believe :-)

So it is more a case that the teachers (a) understand what the word &#039;ensures&#039; means, and (b) realized that answering the question was asked would generate &#039;strongly disagree&#039; answers across the board.  Realizing this, the teachers may have tried to &#039;help&#039; the survey authors by guessing what the question might have been if the survey authors had written a meaningful question.  Then, the teachers answered *this* guessed-at question.

Yes, this would not surprise me.

In which case, yes, the survey is at fault (or, more accurately, the humans who wrote it are at fault), *AND* the results are mostly likely close to meaningless.

-Mark Roulo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Isn’t it likely that those taking the poll read into the question, realizing that it was poorly written and that they would distort the survey results if they took it literally?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Now *THAT* I can believe <img src='http://www.joannejacobs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So it is more a case that the teachers (a) understand what the word &#8216;ensures&#8217; means, and (b) realized that answering the question was asked would generate &#8216;strongly disagree&#8217; answers across the board.  Realizing this, the teachers may have tried to &#8216;help&#8217; the survey authors by guessing what the question might have been if the survey authors had written a meaningful question.  Then, the teachers answered *this* guessed-at question.</p>
<p>Yes, this would not surprise me.</p>
<p>In which case, yes, the survey is at fault (or, more accurately, the humans who wrote it are at fault), *AND* the results are mostly likely close to meaningless.</p>
<p>-Mark Roulo</p>
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		<title>By: Diana Senechal</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2010/03/curriculum-is-key-teachers-say/#comment-55996</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana Senechal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 01:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They know the meaning of &quot;ensures.&quot; But what is it supposed to mean in the context of the question?

If those who wrote the question really meant &quot;guarantees,&quot; then wouldn&#039;t they expect a &quot;no&quot; across the board? Isn&#039;t it obvious that no single factor guarantees students&#039; academic achievement? And isn&#039;t it a silly question, then?

And how could someone &quot;agree somewhat&quot; or &quot;disagree somewhat&quot; with the statement without reinterpreting &quot;ensures&quot;? You can&#039;t partially ensure something.

Or perhaps some took &quot;agree strongly&quot; to mean that curriculum plays a large role; &quot;agree somewhat&quot; to mean that it plays a role in combination with other factors; etc.

Isn&#039;t it likely that those taking the poll read into the question, realizing that it was poorly written and that they would distort the survey results if they took it literally?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They know the meaning of &#8220;ensures.&#8221; But what is it supposed to mean in the context of the question?</p>
<p>If those who wrote the question really meant &#8220;guarantees,&#8221; then wouldn&#8217;t they expect a &#8220;no&#8221; across the board? Isn&#8217;t it obvious that no single factor guarantees students&#8217; academic achievement? And isn&#8217;t it a silly question, then?</p>
<p>And how could someone &#8220;agree somewhat&#8221; or &#8220;disagree somewhat&#8221; with the statement without reinterpreting &#8220;ensures&#8221;? You can&#8217;t partially ensure something.</p>
<p>Or perhaps some took &#8220;agree strongly&#8221; to mean that curriculum plays a large role; &#8220;agree somewhat&#8221; to mean that it plays a role in combination with other factors; etc.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it likely that those taking the poll read into the question, realizing that it was poorly written and that they would distort the survey results if they took it literally?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Roulo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Roulo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 01:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;... I wonder how many of those who answered &#039;agree somewhat&#039; or &#039;disagree somewhat&#039; were uncertain about the meaning of &#039;ensures,&#039; ...&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Are you seriously suggesting that a large percentage of &quot;40,000 public school teachers in pre-K through 12&quot; don&#039;t know what the word &#039;ensures&#039; means?

This possibility didn&#039;t even cross my mind ...

-Mark Roulo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;&#8230; I wonder how many of those who answered &#8216;agree somewhat&#8217; or &#8216;disagree somewhat&#8217; were uncertain about the meaning of &#8216;ensures,&#8217; &#8230;</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you seriously suggesting that a large percentage of &#8220;40,000 public school teachers in pre-K through 12&#8243; don&#8217;t know what the word &#8216;ensures&#8217; means?</p>
<p>This possibility didn&#8217;t even cross my mind &#8230;</p>
<p>-Mark Roulo</p>
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		<title>By: Lightly Seasoned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lightly Seasoned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 00:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just shocked anyone asked teachers at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just shocked anyone asked teachers at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana Senechal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana Senechal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t the survey at fault here? I would have trouble with the question, given the use of the word &quot;ensures.&quot; The statement reads, &quot;High-quality curriculum ensures my students&#039; academic achievement.&quot; The choices are: &quot;agree strongly,&quot; &quot;agree somewhat,&quot; &quot;disagree somewhat,&quot; and &quot;disagree strongly.&quot;

The largest percentages were in the &quot;agree strongly&quot; and &quot;agree somewhat&quot; categories (44 and 45 percent overall, respectively). And I wonder how many of those who answered &quot;agree somewhat&quot; or &quot;disagree somewhat&quot; were uncertain about the meaning of &quot;ensures,&quot; not about the importance of curriculum.

For a survey to mean much, it has to be written well, for starters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t the survey at fault here? I would have trouble with the question, given the use of the word &#8220;ensures.&#8221; The statement reads, &#8220;High-quality curriculum ensures my students&#8217; academic achievement.&#8221; The choices are: &#8220;agree strongly,&#8221; &#8220;agree somewhat,&#8221; &#8220;disagree somewhat,&#8221; and &#8220;disagree strongly.&#8221;</p>
<p>The largest percentages were in the &#8220;agree strongly&#8221; and &#8220;agree somewhat&#8221; categories (44 and 45 percent overall, respectively). And I wonder how many of those who answered &#8220;agree somewhat&#8221; or &#8220;disagree somewhat&#8221; were uncertain about the meaning of &#8220;ensures,&#8221; not about the importance of curriculum.</p>
<p>For a survey to mean much, it has to be written well, for starters.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Linehan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Linehan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly Mark.  Tons of good research shows that the quality of a child&#039;s education can not exceed the quality of the student&#039;s teacher.  http://www.nctq.org/p/publications/docs/mckinsey_education_report_20071202070650.pdf

There is no secret to improving education.  You need leaders who keep everyone focused on teaching and learning.  You need a great teacher in every classroom.  You need a demanding curriculum.  And you need a system of accountability.  Great schools have all of these.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly Mark.  Tons of good research shows that the quality of a child&#8217;s education can not exceed the quality of the student&#8217;s teacher.  <a href="http://www.nctq.org/p/publications/docs/mckinsey_education_report_20071202070650.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.nctq.org/p/publications/docs/mckinsey_education_report_20071202070650.pdf</a></p>
<p>There is no secret to improving education.  You need leaders who keep everyone focused on teaching and learning.  You need a great teacher in every classroom.  You need a demanding curriculum.  And you need a system of accountability.  Great schools have all of these.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Roulo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Roulo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>9 in 10 teachers may agree that &quot;a high-quality curriculum ensures academic success for their students,&quot; but they would be wrong.

A high-quality curriculum taught by an incompetent teacher will not result in academic success for the students.

A high-quality curriculum is a very good thing, but it isn&#039;t enough ...

-Mark Roulo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>9 in 10 teachers may agree that &#8220;a high-quality curriculum ensures academic success for their students,&#8221; but they would be wrong.</p>
<p>A high-quality curriculum taught by an incompetent teacher will not result in academic success for the students.</p>
<p>A high-quality curriculum is a very good thing, but it isn&#8217;t enough &#8230;</p>
<p>-Mark Roulo</p>
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