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		<title>By: Malcolm Kirkpatrick</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2010/02/are-charter-schools-a-civil-rights-failure/#comment-55088</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm Kirkpatrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Jay Greene, charter schools in LA are no more segregated than the neighborhood schools which their students would otherwise attend. Compared to all of California&#039;s government-operated schools, LA charter schools look racially segregated. Compared to LA&#039;s government schools, they are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Jay Greene, charter schools in LA are no more segregated than the neighborhood schools which their students would otherwise attend. Compared to all of California&#8217;s government-operated schools, LA charter schools look racially segregated. Compared to LA&#8217;s government schools, they are not.</p>
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		<title>By: Margo/Mom</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2010/02/are-charter-schools-a-civil-rights-failure/#comment-55087</link>
		<dc:creator>Margo/Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall some research into the entire question of choice as regards equity. It was an international study that was able to consider a number of different systems with varying degrees of choice. The answer is not simple, but it does align with either what the study said, or the recommendation that I read in another article reporting on the study.

Increased choice can lead to &quot;pooling&quot; effects--students who have more end up seated next to other students who also have more. Even in systems where geography is the primary determinent of where on goes to school. HOWEVER, if the system operates in a way that some might consider to be largely market driven--that is, when a particular school becomes very popular, it is replicated or expanded, while schools that lag in popularity are minimized or closed, that pooling is greatly diminished. Further, if popularity tracks with quality (big if, I will grant), the overall quality of the system tends to improve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall some research into the entire question of choice as regards equity. It was an international study that was able to consider a number of different systems with varying degrees of choice. The answer is not simple, but it does align with either what the study said, or the recommendation that I read in another article reporting on the study.</p>
<p>Increased choice can lead to &#8220;pooling&#8221; effects&#8211;students who have more end up seated next to other students who also have more. Even in systems where geography is the primary determinent of where on goes to school. HOWEVER, if the system operates in a way that some might consider to be largely market driven&#8211;that is, when a particular school becomes very popular, it is replicated or expanded, while schools that lag in popularity are minimized or closed, that pooling is greatly diminished. Further, if popularity tracks with quality (big if, I will grant), the overall quality of the system tends to improve.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A better question would be the following: Are professors (and &quot;academics&quot; in general) who believe that charter schools are a civil rights failure instead a failure of our educational system to educate these professors? Just asking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A better question would be the following: Are professors (and &#8220;academics&#8221; in general) who believe that charter schools are a civil rights failure instead a failure of our educational system to educate these professors? Just asking.</p>
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		<title>By: allen</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2010/02/are-charter-schools-a-civil-rights-failure/#comment-55085</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope it&#039;s clear that these discussion are largely academic?

Try to achieve the dreamy perfection of fully heterogeneous schools by pulling black kids out of the charter schools their parents selected for them and the hollering and screaming that attended forced busing back in the seventies will attractive by comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope it&#8217;s clear that these discussion are largely academic?</p>
<p>Try to achieve the dreamy perfection of fully heterogeneous schools by pulling black kids out of the charter schools their parents selected for them and the hollering and screaming that attended forced busing back in the seventies will attractive by comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Jacob. I&#039;ve fixed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jacob. I&#8217;ve fixed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi All... hope this finds you well.

Although in this report the focus is on charter schools... it seems obvious that are entire public school system is becoming more and more segragated.

I would need to disagree with this statement for both our public school systems as well as our charters.
Equity” is not the same as “integration,” says Eliza Krigman of National Journal.

What is equity and how is it not related to integration???

Reminds me of Plessy.

Where does Brown fit into this discussion?

be well...mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All&#8230; hope this finds you well.</p>
<p>Although in this report the focus is on charter schools&#8230; it seems obvious that are entire public school system is becoming more and more segragated.</p>
<p>I would need to disagree with this statement for both our public school systems as well as our charters.<br />
Equity” is not the same as “integration,” says Eliza Krigman of National Journal.</p>
<p>What is equity and how is it not related to integration???</p>
<p>Reminds me of Plessy.</p>
<p>Where does Brown fit into this discussion?</p>
<p>be well&#8230;mike</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Are charter schools a civil rights failure? « Joanne Jacobs -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Are charter schools a civil rights failure? « Joanne Jacobs -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by kriley19, JoanneLeeJacobs and Christopher Herring, Ohio Gadfly. Ohio Gadfly said: RT @JoanneLeeJacobs: Are mostly black charter schools a civil rights failure? http://ow.ly/159oO [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that quote isn&#039;t from Eliza, it is Eliza quoting Ross Wiener.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that quote isn&#8217;t from Eliza, it is Eliza quoting Ross Wiener.</p>
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