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		<title>By: uberVU - social comments</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Twitter by kriley19: Joanne Jacobs: The AP juggernaut http://bit.ly/8MaIho Full http://bit.ly/6veOaN...</description>
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		<title>By: Sami</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/12/the-ap-juggernaut/#comment-53504</link>
		<dc:creator>Sami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless your child wants to complete their undergrad at an Ivy League school or top tier university, CLEP is a perfectly acceptable alternative. Most regionally accredited school will accept a number of CLEP credits with no questions asked. Some colleges even take up to 90 CLEP credits!

I found a great resource for info on all this, http://www.collegeplus.org/ and they are very home school family friendly :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless your child wants to complete their undergrad at an Ivy League school or top tier university, CLEP is a perfectly acceptable alternative. Most regionally accredited school will accept a number of CLEP credits with no questions asked. Some colleges even take up to 90 CLEP credits!</p>
<p>I found a great resource for info on all this, <a href="http://www.collegeplus.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.collegeplus.org/</a> and they are very home school family friendly <img src='http://www.joannejacobs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Michael E. Lopez</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/12/the-ap-juggernaut/#comment-53503</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael E. Lopez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone should go to college.

Everyone should take AP classes.

It&#039;s just too bad everyone shouldn&#039;t have to learn how to read in elementary school.  That would make everything a whole lot easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone should go to college.</p>
<p>Everyone should take AP classes.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just too bad everyone shouldn&#8217;t have to learn how to read in elementary school.  That would make everything a whole lot easier.</p>
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		<title>By: gahrie</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AVID is a very good program that I support whole-heartedly. Unfortunately one flaw is that it usually requires students to take at least one AP course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AVID is a very good program that I support whole-heartedly. Unfortunately one flaw is that it usually requires students to take at least one AP course.</p>
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		<title>By: tim-10-ber</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/12/the-ap-juggernaut/#comment-53501</link>
		<dc:creator>tim-10-ber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Newsweek challenge test should (or does it) consider the number of students taking the course and taking and passing the test. My son&#039;s former high school is a top 30 school in both Newsweek and US News and it is because kids are required to take a minimum of two AP classes.  These kids are also required to take the AP test. However, the passing rate has been and continues to decline...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Newsweek challenge test should (or does it) consider the number of students taking the course and taking and passing the test. My son&#8217;s former high school is a top 30 school in both Newsweek and US News and it is because kids are required to take a minimum of two AP classes.  These kids are also required to take the AP test. However, the passing rate has been and continues to decline&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Miller Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/12/the-ap-juggernaut/#comment-53500</link>
		<dc:creator>Miller Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good evening.

As some of you may know, I work for Prince George&#039;s County public schools in the state of Maryland. At present, at my high school, Bowie High in Bowie Maryland, we are on track for placing every single student in the school in at least one AP class before they graduate. That&#039;s right! Every single student in an AP class.

This year we have seen students with Ds in their English classes from the previous school year being placed in AP English. The school administration, under the orders of the main administration and the central office, have started placing students of every type in AP classes that the students had not even requested. Why would we do such a thing?

If you look at my high school on the Newsweek website, you will see that my high school is in the top 50 of the best high schools in the nation. You want to know how we got there? Why, by simply looking at the criteria selected by Newsweek on how to get in their top 50 list. One of the criteria that Newsweek defines a good school by is, how many students as a percentage of the student body are in AP classes.

That&#039;s right! The more students, as a percentage of the student body that a school has enrolled in at least one AP class per year is what Newsweek considers to be a measure of a good high school. The fact that an overwhelming majority of all of our AP students failed to break a 3 score on the AP test seems to matter not to Newsweek in measuring the quality of the high school.

The school system is not being run for the good of the student. The school system is being run for the good of the administration and the politicians who are part of the entire system that create students who know nothing when they go to college, can&#039;t do anything when they graduate from high school, and who usually drop out of college after the first semester never to return.

How do we solve this problem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good evening.</p>
<p>As some of you may know, I work for Prince George&#8217;s County public schools in the state of Maryland. At present, at my high school, Bowie High in Bowie Maryland, we are on track for placing every single student in the school in at least one AP class before they graduate. That&#8217;s right! Every single student in an AP class.</p>
<p>This year we have seen students with Ds in their English classes from the previous school year being placed in AP English. The school administration, under the orders of the main administration and the central office, have started placing students of every type in AP classes that the students had not even requested. Why would we do such a thing?</p>
<p>If you look at my high school on the Newsweek website, you will see that my high school is in the top 50 of the best high schools in the nation. You want to know how we got there? Why, by simply looking at the criteria selected by Newsweek on how to get in their top 50 list. One of the criteria that Newsweek defines a good school by is, how many students as a percentage of the student body are in AP classes.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s right! The more students, as a percentage of the student body that a school has enrolled in at least one AP class per year is what Newsweek considers to be a measure of a good high school. The fact that an overwhelming majority of all of our AP students failed to break a 3 score on the AP test seems to matter not to Newsweek in measuring the quality of the high school.</p>
<p>The school system is not being run for the good of the student. The school system is being run for the good of the administration and the politicians who are part of the entire system that create students who know nothing when they go to college, can&#8217;t do anything when they graduate from high school, and who usually drop out of college after the first semester never to return.</p>
<p>How do we solve this problem?</p>
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		<title>By: Teacher in the Burbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teacher in the Burbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some suburban schools shamelessly play the yearly rankings game by pushing as hard as possible to get as many butts in the seat in AP classes as possible.  That means that administrators are too often concerned to only get the most popular teacher in that subject, which inevitably means the easiest grader, which means the lowest standards.  From my own experiences and observations, in suburban schools, AP courses are a part of a cynical transcript-padding game.  However, for rural schools where there is little opportunity to prepare for college, well-taught AP classes can be great experiences that open doors for the students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some suburban schools shamelessly play the yearly rankings game by pushing as hard as possible to get as many butts in the seat in AP classes as possible.  That means that administrators are too often concerned to only get the most popular teacher in that subject, which inevitably means the easiest grader, which means the lowest standards.  From my own experiences and observations, in suburban schools, AP courses are a part of a cynical transcript-padding game.  However, for rural schools where there is little opportunity to prepare for college, well-taught AP classes can be great experiences that open doors for the students.</p>
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		<title>By: Cal</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/12/the-ap-juggernaut/#comment-53497</link>
		<dc:creator>Cal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 02:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As is usually the case in these discussions, no one makes a distinction between types of schools. In the typical suburban school, the competition factor is huge, and all the comments about grade inflation, etc, are relevant.

In a typical urban or predominantly low income school, there&#039;s no pressure. The schools just call classes AP (there are numerous stories of kids from low income schools who have AP Calculus on their resume and 350 SAT Math scores and never covered anything more than algebra) and use it to give their hardest working kids a transcript that allows state universities to pretend they are treating all kids similarly, regardless of SES. In other words, it&#039;s a massive fraud that allows barely literate kids to be selected ahead of the kids in suburban schools who don&#039;t take AP courses but whose regular coursework is four or five grade levels ahead of the low income/urban school kids. It&#039;s that awareness that forces suburban parents to push their kids into AP programs even if they&#039;d rather now--or, if they don&#039;t, they end up with kids who can&#039;t get into a UC despite solid skills well ahead of the bottom 20% of UC students who are accepted because of fraud.

There really aren&#039;t too many cases of good suburban schools with decent AP courses having trouble with kids who can&#039;t read in these courses. The kids who can&#039;t read are taking AP courses, just in different schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As is usually the case in these discussions, no one makes a distinction between types of schools. In the typical suburban school, the competition factor is huge, and all the comments about grade inflation, etc, are relevant.</p>
<p>In a typical urban or predominantly low income school, there&#8217;s no pressure. The schools just call classes AP (there are numerous stories of kids from low income schools who have AP Calculus on their resume and 350 SAT Math scores and never covered anything more than algebra) and use it to give their hardest working kids a transcript that allows state universities to pretend they are treating all kids similarly, regardless of SES. In other words, it&#8217;s a massive fraud that allows barely literate kids to be selected ahead of the kids in suburban schools who don&#8217;t take AP courses but whose regular coursework is four or five grade levels ahead of the low income/urban school kids. It&#8217;s that awareness that forces suburban parents to push their kids into AP programs even if they&#8217;d rather now&#8211;or, if they don&#8217;t, they end up with kids who can&#8217;t get into a UC despite solid skills well ahead of the bottom 20% of UC students who are accepted because of fraud.</p>
<p>There really aren&#8217;t too many cases of good suburban schools with decent AP courses having trouble with kids who can&#8217;t read in these courses. The kids who can&#8217;t read are taking AP courses, just in different schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Mom in Georgia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mom in Georgia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 02:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don Bemont - You are right about college-bound kids/courses.  Students are not ability grouped (college bound, etc), anymore due to political correctness.  Since we are a rural, high poverty school, the only way for my kids to get even a slightly challenging curriculum is to take AP.

AP is the new &quot;college bound&quot; course for many schools where there is an enormous difference in ability levels -and no other way for the schools to group by ability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don Bemont &#8211; You are right about college-bound kids/courses.  Students are not ability grouped (college bound, etc), anymore due to political correctness.  Since we are a rural, high poverty school, the only way for my kids to get even a slightly challenging curriculum is to take AP.</p>
<p>AP is the new &#8220;college bound&#8221; course for many schools where there is an enormous difference in ability levels -and no other way for the schools to group by ability.</p>
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