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		<title>By: Richard Aubrey</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/12/banning-bilingual-ed-worked-for-kids/#comment-53035</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Aubrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kirk.
You may be right, although, strictly speaking, it&#039;s not sarcasm.
It&#039;s the sort of thing I&#039;ve heard from various lefty activists when I was associated with peace&amp;wonderfulness groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kirk.<br />
You may be right, although, strictly speaking, it&#8217;s not sarcasm.<br />
It&#8217;s the sort of thing I&#8217;ve heard from various lefty activists when I was associated with peace&amp;wonderfulness groups.</p>
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		<title>By: A Critique of Bilingual Education With Attitude &#124; Everyone Read It!</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/12/banning-bilingual-ed-worked-for-kids/#comment-53034</link>
		<dc:creator>A Critique of Bilingual Education With Attitude &#124; Everyone Read It!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Journal. Meanwhile, Joanne Jacobs posted a short excerpt from the 10-page essay and titled her post &#8220;Banning bilingual ed worked for kids.&#8221; The post was promptly tweeted yesterday by Greg Toppo of USA [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kirk Parker</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/12/banning-bilingual-ed-worked-for-kids/#comment-53033</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard,

I suspect allen totally missed your sarcasm, and concluded that you were advocating for a point of view that you were actually decrying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<p>I suspect allen totally missed your sarcasm, and concluded that you were advocating for a point of view that you were actually decrying.</p>
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		<title>By: Zeev</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/12/banning-bilingual-ed-worked-for-kids/#comment-53032</link>
		<dc:creator>Zeev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 23:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all those who bring examples of working, or at least supposedly working, multilingual societies I&#039;d like to point out that I am unaware of any example of any *large* society where multilingual education works well, both on educational as well as on social dimension. Singapore and Hong Kong had to make the best of the cards they were handled. Other small nations juxtaposed among larger ones (like Luxembourg, Belgium, Switzerland) or special circumstance minorities (e.g., Jews, Gypsies) also had to cope with this issue.

All those only demonstrate that in principle multilingualism *can* be handled. The question is whether there is an inherent benefit in widespread multilingualism. Cultural warriors will argue either way, depending on where they come from. Others will argue &quot;globalization&quot; but that seems of limited appeal despite the hype. Single language seems important to bind together large societies. See, for example, Germany, France, China, or even the old Soviet Union or British Empire. Where it doesn&#039;t exist, internal dissent seems uncomfortably present -- look at India, Spain, or even the tiny Belgium.

I would simply say that we are blessed that we do have effectively a single language in the US, which even more blessedly (although not incidentally) is becoming a global language. Rather than agonize about it we should take advantage of it, as it ought to make everything from education to voting more straightforward. This should not imply that we should not encourage everyone to learn more languages, but I see it no different from encouraging everyone to learn more arts, music, and science -- all are hallmarks of educated citizens, but no single one is particularly critical to the success of our society.

So can anyone please explain to me clearly what is the inherent advantage of working so hard to have a successful bi (or multi) lingual society rather than working a bit less hard to have a successful English speaking one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all those who bring examples of working, or at least supposedly working, multilingual societies I&#8217;d like to point out that I am unaware of any example of any *large* society where multilingual education works well, both on educational as well as on social dimension. Singapore and Hong Kong had to make the best of the cards they were handled. Other small nations juxtaposed among larger ones (like Luxembourg, Belgium, Switzerland) or special circumstance minorities (e.g., Jews, Gypsies) also had to cope with this issue.</p>
<p>All those only demonstrate that in principle multilingualism *can* be handled. The question is whether there is an inherent benefit in widespread multilingualism. Cultural warriors will argue either way, depending on where they come from. Others will argue &#8220;globalization&#8221; but that seems of limited appeal despite the hype. Single language seems important to bind together large societies. See, for example, Germany, France, China, or even the old Soviet Union or British Empire. Where it doesn&#8217;t exist, internal dissent seems uncomfortably present &#8212; look at India, Spain, or even the tiny Belgium.</p>
<p>I would simply say that we are blessed that we do have effectively a single language in the US, which even more blessedly (although not incidentally) is becoming a global language. Rather than agonize about it we should take advantage of it, as it ought to make everything from education to voting more straightforward. This should not imply that we should not encourage everyone to learn more languages, but I see it no different from encouraging everyone to learn more arts, music, and science &#8212; all are hallmarks of educated citizens, but no single one is particularly critical to the success of our society.</p>
<p>So can anyone please explain to me clearly what is the inherent advantage of working so hard to have a successful bi (or multi) lingual society rather than working a bit less hard to have a successful English speaking one?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Aubrey</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/12/banning-bilingual-ed-worked-for-kids/#comment-53031</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Aubrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>allen.
No idea what you&#039;re saying or if you&#039;re addressing me, since I have no idea what you&#039;re saying and you apparently have no idea what I said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>allen.<br />
No idea what you&#8217;re saying or if you&#8217;re addressing me, since I have no idea what you&#8217;re saying and you apparently have no idea what I said.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Curtis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 03:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A multilingual education allows you to be functionally illiterate in more than one language.  How on earth do you expect to be successful anywhere if you can&#039;t understand the language of the people signing your paycheck?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A multilingual education allows you to be functionally illiterate in more than one language.  How on earth do you expect to be successful anywhere if you can&#8217;t understand the language of the people signing your paycheck?</p>
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		<title>By: Whatever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whatever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll just throw this out here.  Not sure how it fits into the conversation.  It&#039;s a study in contrasts.

I live in a large Southwestern-US city with a sizeable population of residents whose native language is Spanish.  Frequently the local TV or newspaper will interview someone who has lived in this city for 10-20 years and who requires an interpreter to translate from Spanish because s/he doesn&#039;t speak any English.

On the other hand, I work in a company of ~300 employees, many of whom hail from countries other than the US.  Our offical company literature used to say our employees speak about 30 different languages, but I&#039;m sure it&#039;s far more than that now.  A number of these employees are well-educated Mexicans with technical degrees from a prestigious university in Mexico.  At the annual children&#039;s holiday party, one of my younger coworkers picked up the giveaway book for her little sister, who lives with their parents in Mexico.  Little sister was 6 at the time -- and already reading English.

If children in Mexico can learn to read English, why is there a problem in the US?

Apropos, sort of, the Real Academia Española has just this week published the offical Spanish grammar that&#039;s been in the works for years.  Google &quot;Nueva gramática de la lengua española&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll just throw this out here.  Not sure how it fits into the conversation.  It&#8217;s a study in contrasts.</p>
<p>I live in a large Southwestern-US city with a sizeable population of residents whose native language is Spanish.  Frequently the local TV or newspaper will interview someone who has lived in this city for 10-20 years and who requires an interpreter to translate from Spanish because s/he doesn&#8217;t speak any English.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I work in a company of ~300 employees, many of whom hail from countries other than the US.  Our offical company literature used to say our employees speak about 30 different languages, but I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s far more than that now.  A number of these employees are well-educated Mexicans with technical degrees from a prestigious university in Mexico.  At the annual children&#8217;s holiday party, one of my younger coworkers picked up the giveaway book for her little sister, who lives with their parents in Mexico.  Little sister was 6 at the time &#8212; and already reading English.</p>
<p>If children in Mexico can learn to read English, why is there a problem in the US?</p>
<p>Apropos, sort of, the Real Academia Española has just this week published the offical Spanish grammar that&#8217;s been in the works for years.  Google &#8220;Nueva gramática de la lengua española&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: allen</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/12/banning-bilingual-ed-worked-for-kids/#comment-53028</link>
		<dc:creator>allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Richard, I&#039;m an expert on the subject being bilingual and hailing from a family of Eastern European Jews all of whom spoke at least five languages with various snips and snails and puppy dog tails of several more to help get by back when they were in &quot;the old country&quot;.

They didn&#039;t learn all those languages to broaden their horizons but because of hard necessity.

It&#039;s mostly the improbably wealthy - that would be most Americans by the standards of the last handful of decades - who could indulge the luxury of learning languages for no more reason then to broaden their cultural horizons. If that appeals to you then knock yourself out. If you think it&#039;s a good idea in general then save your rationales for more a more receptive audience because I know that multilingualism extracts a cost that isn&#039;t generally seen as worthwhile. That&#039;s why where the necessity for multilingulism doesn&#039;t exist the facility withers.

The monolingulism of most Americans, seen as deplorable by some, I see as that &quot;level playing field&quot; so beloved by devotees of a social justice they seek to impose by the judicious application of social injustice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Richard, I&#8217;m an expert on the subject being bilingual and hailing from a family of Eastern European Jews all of whom spoke at least five languages with various snips and snails and puppy dog tails of several more to help get by back when they were in &#8220;the old country&#8221;.</p>
<p>They didn&#8217;t learn all those languages to broaden their horizons but because of hard necessity.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s mostly the improbably wealthy &#8211; that would be most Americans by the standards of the last handful of decades &#8211; who could indulge the luxury of learning languages for no more reason then to broaden their cultural horizons. If that appeals to you then knock yourself out. If you think it&#8217;s a good idea in general then save your rationales for more a more receptive audience because I know that multilingualism extracts a cost that isn&#8217;t generally seen as worthwhile. That&#8217;s why where the necessity for multilingulism doesn&#8217;t exist the facility withers.</p>
<p>The monolingulism of most Americans, seen as deplorable by some, I see as that &#8220;level playing field&#8221; so beloved by devotees of a social justice they seek to impose by the judicious application of social injustice.</p>
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		<title>By: College Campus &#187; A Critique of Bilingual Education With Attitude</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/12/banning-bilingual-ed-worked-for-kids/#comment-53027</link>
		<dc:creator>College Campus &#187; A Critique of Bilingual Education With Attitude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Journal. Meanwhile, Joanne Jacobs posted a short excerpt from the 10-page essay and titled her post &#8220;Banning bilingual ed worked for kids.&#8221; The post was promptly tweeted yesterday by Greg Toppo of USA [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Learning Solution &#8211; Online Education &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Critique of Bilingual Education With Attitude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Learning Solution &#8211; Online Education &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Critique of Bilingual Education With Attitude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Journal. Meanwhile, Joanne Jacobs posted a short excerpt from the 10-page essay and titled her post &#8220;Banning bilingual ed worked for kids.&#8221; The post was promptly tweeted yesterday by Greg Toppo of USA [...]</description>
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