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		<title>By: ShortWoman&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Two Sad Stories Involving Children</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 00:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Dow doesn&#8217;t impress me anymore); WTF is wrong with Africa??; concentration of wealth; the importance of arts education; an a cartoon on commercial and industrial [...]</description>
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		<title>By: KateC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KateC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 04:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Over 80% of the students in our college prep and honors program are also in the school band, orchestra or chorus. There must be some correlation.&quot;

Yes, they have parents with disposable income and/or free time. If you have one, you don&#039;t need so much of the other. But a parent who&#039;s drugged, depressed or just flat-out stupid won&#039;t bug a kid to practice or go to rehearsal, etc. 

Arts education--does that mean art history, music theory or messing around with finger paints?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Over 80% of the students in our college prep and honors program are also in the school band, orchestra or chorus. There must be some correlation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, they have parents with disposable income and/or free time. If you have one, you don&#8217;t need so much of the other. But a parent who&#8217;s drugged, depressed or just flat-out stupid won&#8217;t bug a kid to practice or go to rehearsal, etc. </p>
<p>Arts education&#8211;does that mean art history, music theory or messing around with finger paints?</p>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The same arguments could be made in favor of shop classes...indeed, shop classes have the advantage that the successful or unsuccesful outcome of a project tends to be  obvious to the kid who made it...the bookcase stands up or it doesn&#039;t, the car engine runs or it doesn&#039;t. This is a useful corrective to squishy-soft &quot;self-esteem&quot; teaching, whereas the educationist approach to teaching of art would mostly be more of the same.

Here&#039;s Peter Drucker writing about his own experiences in elementary school in Austria:

&quot;even Miss Sophie could not make a craftsman out of me...But I took from her a lifelong appreciation of craftsmanship, an enjoyment of clean honest work, and respect for the task. My fingers have never forgotten the feel of well-planed and sanded wood, cut with rather than against the grain, which Miss Sophy--her hand on mine and guiding my fingers--made me sense.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same arguments could be made in favor of shop classes&#8230;indeed, shop classes have the advantage that the successful or unsuccesful outcome of a project tends to be  obvious to the kid who made it&#8230;the bookcase stands up or it doesn&#8217;t, the car engine runs or it doesn&#8217;t. This is a useful corrective to squishy-soft &#8220;self-esteem&#8221; teaching, whereas the educationist approach to teaching of art would mostly be more of the same.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s Peter Drucker writing about his own experiences in elementary school in Austria:</p>
<p>&#8220;even Miss Sophie could not make a craftsman out of me&#8230;But I took from her a lifelong appreciation of craftsmanship, an enjoyment of clean honest work, and respect for the task. My fingers have never forgotten the feel of well-planed and sanded wood, cut with rather than against the grain, which Miss Sophy&#8211;her hand on mine and guiding my fingers&#8211;made me sense.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: allen</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/11/why-arts-education-isnt-a-luxury/comment-page-1/#comment-103034</link>
		<dc:creator>allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 10:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only doesn&#039;t correlation equal causation but there are also priorities that have to be kept in mind. What&#039;s the value of the relatively vaguely-defined &quot;sense of agency&quot; if a kid can&#039;t read?

The luxury in this case is the luxury to define education as anything the pundit or edu-theorist chooses. In fact some skills are foundational, providing skills on which further education builds and without which those further skills are unacquirable. Ignore that relationship and you&#039;re just arguing about the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only doesn&#8217;t correlation equal causation but there are also priorities that have to be kept in mind. What&#8217;s the value of the relatively vaguely-defined &#8220;sense of agency&#8221; if a kid can&#8217;t read?</p>
<p>The luxury in this case is the luxury to define education as anything the pundit or edu-theorist chooses. In fact some skills are foundational, providing skills on which further education builds and without which those further skills are unacquirable. Ignore that relationship and you&#8217;re just arguing about the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin.</p>
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		<title>By: Parent2</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 05:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correlation does not equal causation.</description>
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		<title>By: Parent2</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 05:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, correlation ? causation.</description>
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		<title>By: dcowart</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcowart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 03:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over 80% of the students in our college prep and honors program are also in the school band, orchestra or chorus.  There must be some correlation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over 80% of the students in our college prep and honors program are also in the school band, orchestra or chorus.  There must be some correlation.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the weakness with his arguments is that they have little to do with the arts:   you can substitute the word &quot;sports&quot; for &quot;arts&quot; and his arguments have equal strength: 
a chance to feel successful, 
a change to be active, 
a chance to communicate without words, 
a chance to make things for others, 
a chance to work together, 
a chance to express feelings.  
Alternatively, it could be a call for different styles of teaching in the academic material. The partial exception is #2 ... but that one juxtaposes agency, exploration and exploration.

I do think a case can be made: I don&#039;t think that this author has made it.  Is the argument stronger in Kagan&#039;s original source material?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the weakness with his arguments is that they have little to do with the arts:   you can substitute the word &#8220;sports&#8221; for &#8220;arts&#8221; and his arguments have equal strength:<br />
a chance to feel successful,<br />
a change to be active,<br />
a chance to communicate without words,<br />
a chance to make things for others,<br />
a chance to work together,<br />
a chance to express feelings.<br />
Alternatively, it could be a call for different styles of teaching in the academic material. The partial exception is #2 &#8230; but that one juxtaposes agency, exploration and exploration.</p>
<p>I do think a case can be made: I don&#8217;t think that this author has made it.  Is the argument stronger in Kagan&#8217;s original source material?</p>
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