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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/11/pastafarians-seek-equal-time/#comment-52632</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recommend Bertrand Russell&#039;s  _Why I Am Not A Christian_ for both believers and non-believers.  Many of his arguments are ones you&#039;ve heard before, but some are unique to him.  For example, he says that whether the Christian God exists or not, he will have nothing to do with any God who promises eternal damnation for ephemeral sin. (I&#039;m paraphrasing)

His point is interesting and one I&#039;ve not seen elsewhere.  Eternal damnation does indeed mean that the punishment is infinitely worse than the sin.

A very thoughtful man, sure to force you to think no matter which side of the issue you&#039;re on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recommend Bertrand Russell&#8217;s  _Why I Am Not A Christian_ for both believers and non-believers.  Many of his arguments are ones you&#8217;ve heard before, but some are unique to him.  For example, he says that whether the Christian God exists or not, he will have nothing to do with any God who promises eternal damnation for ephemeral sin. (I&#8217;m paraphrasing)</p>
<p>His point is interesting and one I&#8217;ve not seen elsewhere.  Eternal damnation does indeed mean that the punishment is infinitely worse than the sin.</p>
<p>A very thoughtful man, sure to force you to think no matter which side of the issue you&#8217;re on.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/11/pastafarians-seek-equal-time/#comment-52631</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;m thankful that I&#039;m better off than some other folks, but I wonder if they&#039;re supposed to be thankful?  There should be an annual pre-Thanksgiving search to find the most unfortunate individual in the country, so that everyone else will know how fortunate they are by comparison.

I recently stumbled across a copy of Dante&#039;s Inferno on sale at Barnes an Noble (they have a number of $7.95 reprinted classics).  One of the themes of Dante&#039;s tour through Hell is his learning to overcome his misplaced compassion for the tortured souls he encounters.  Apparently those who permanently make it into Paradise have this sense of empathy removed, so that it doesn&#039;t interfere with the enjoyment of eternal bliss.  I always wondered how they did that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;m thankful that I&#8217;m better off than some other folks, but I wonder if they&#8217;re supposed to be thankful?  There should be an annual pre-Thanksgiving search to find the most unfortunate individual in the country, so that everyone else will know how fortunate they are by comparison.</p>
<p>I recently stumbled across a copy of Dante&#8217;s Inferno on sale at Barnes an Noble (they have a number of $7.95 reprinted classics).  One of the themes of Dante&#8217;s tour through Hell is his learning to overcome his misplaced compassion for the tortured souls he encounters.  Apparently those who permanently make it into Paradise have this sense of empathy removed, so that it doesn&#8217;t interfere with the enjoyment of eternal bliss.  I always wondered how they did that.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/11/pastafarians-seek-equal-time/#comment-52630</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Badabing:  Given the vagaries of chance, I roll a 20-sided die.  If the number that comes up is greater than zero, I drink.

It&#039;s not the greatest tradition, sure, but it&#039;s mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Badabing:  Given the vagaries of chance, I roll a 20-sided die.  If the number that comes up is greater than zero, I drink.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the greatest tradition, sure, but it&#8217;s mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Crimson Wife</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/11/pastafarians-seek-equal-time/#comment-52629</link>
		<dc:creator>Crimson Wife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracy W- actually, I have been told any number of times that I&#039;m not &quot;saved&quot; and will go to hell for supposedly not being a Christian (I *AM* a Christian, just a member of a different denomination). It would be extremely presumptuous of me to say that Christ won&#039;t save non-Christians who lead otherwise good lives. I sincerely pray that He will have mercy on them.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;And part of that entitlement to our own POV is the right to think poorly of other people’s POVs.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Agreed, but you shouldn&#039;t be &quot;in-your face&quot; about it. I think poorly of a number of faiths, but I keep my mouth shut about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracy W- actually, I have been told any number of times that I&#8217;m not &#8220;saved&#8221; and will go to hell for supposedly not being a Christian (I *AM* a Christian, just a member of a different denomination). It would be extremely presumptuous of me to say that Christ won&#8217;t save non-Christians who lead otherwise good lives. I sincerely pray that He will have mercy on them.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;And part of that entitlement to our own POV is the right to think poorly of other people’s POVs.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Agreed, but you shouldn&#8217;t be &#8220;in-your face&#8221; about it. I think poorly of a number of faiths, but I keep my mouth shut about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy W</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/11/pastafarians-seek-equal-time/#comment-52628</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I really don’t get the mean-spiritedness of so many atheists today. &lt;/i&gt;

Ever been told by someone that you&#039;re going to burn in hell for all eternity for your lack of beliefs?

&lt;i&gt; Everyone is entitled to his/her own POV on religion-&lt;/i&gt;

And part of that entitlement to our own POV is the right to think poorly of other people&#039;s POVs.

&lt;i&gt;But I don’t think it’s okay to mock others for their religious beliefs.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m okay with it, I like a witty bit of snark. Except when it&#039;s directed at me and gets me in a tender spot. But ain&#039;t that always the way? And if some snark or sarcasm hurts me, that&#039;s generally a sign that my conscience is uncomfortable with the way I&#039;m living my life somehow.

&lt;i&gt;Didn’t their mamas ever teach them that if they can’t say something nice, then they shouldn’t say anything at all?&lt;/i&gt;

Not my mama. Given my family tree it would be awfully foolish to not say anything not nice - I have some difficult relatives that people should have clear warnings about.

All this said, some atheists do strike me as mean-spirited, as do some members of any theist group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I really don’t get the mean-spiritedness of so many atheists today. </i></p>
<p>Ever been told by someone that you&#8217;re going to burn in hell for all eternity for your lack of beliefs?</p>
<p><i> Everyone is entitled to his/her own POV on religion-</i></p>
<p>And part of that entitlement to our own POV is the right to think poorly of other people&#8217;s POVs.</p>
<p><i>But I don’t think it’s okay to mock others for their religious beliefs.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m okay with it, I like a witty bit of snark. Except when it&#8217;s directed at me and gets me in a tender spot. But ain&#8217;t that always the way? And if some snark or sarcasm hurts me, that&#8217;s generally a sign that my conscience is uncomfortable with the way I&#8217;m living my life somehow.</p>
<p><i>Didn’t their mamas ever teach them that if they can’t say something nice, then they shouldn’t say anything at all?</i></p>
<p>Not my mama. Given my family tree it would be awfully foolish to not say anything not nice &#8211; I have some difficult relatives that people should have clear warnings about.</p>
<p>All this said, some atheists do strike me as mean-spirited, as do some members of any theist group.</p>
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		<title>By: Devilbunny</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/11/pastafarians-seek-equal-time/#comment-52627</link>
		<dc:creator>Devilbunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 04:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To follow up on Engineer-Poet, I have to say: I live in the future. I&#039;m 34 years old. If you went back to 1980 and told me that when I was as old as my mom I would have a computer in my pocket that could search the accumulated wisdom of humanity, make phone calls, and send messages to friends of mine who live on other continents; that I would have a car that would light itself up inside when I walked up to it and unlock itself automatically when I reached to open its door (as long as I have the key in my pocket); that I would be able to make phone calls anywhere in the country, for a flat monthly fee; that I would listen to music either with my pocket computer-phone or with a device about the size of three matchbooks, either one of which can play movies too; that I would be able to watch television shows whenever I wanted, either on the TV or on the computer, and that I could pause and rewind TV shows...

I&#039;d have said you were insane.  But every bit of that is true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To follow up on Engineer-Poet, I have to say: I live in the future. I&#8217;m 34 years old. If you went back to 1980 and told me that when I was as old as my mom I would have a computer in my pocket that could search the accumulated wisdom of humanity, make phone calls, and send messages to friends of mine who live on other continents; that I would have a car that would light itself up inside when I walked up to it and unlock itself automatically when I reached to open its door (as long as I have the key in my pocket); that I would be able to make phone calls anywhere in the country, for a flat monthly fee; that I would listen to music either with my pocket computer-phone or with a device about the size of three matchbooks, either one of which can play movies too; that I would be able to watch television shows whenever I wanted, either on the TV or on the computer, and that I could pause and rewind TV shows&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have said you were insane.  But every bit of that is true.</p>
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		<title>By: Engineer-Poet</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/11/pastafarians-seek-equal-time/#comment-52626</link>
		<dc:creator>Engineer-Poet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am thankful to the people, living and dead, whose genius and hard work has brought us all the things I am enjoying today.&#160; This includes clean water, central heat, modern medicine and the Internet.

Religious apologists claiming credit for the likes of Maxwell, Salk, Einstein and Shockley just disgusts me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am thankful to the people, living and dead, whose genius and hard work has brought us all the things I am enjoying today.&nbsp; This includes clean water, central heat, modern medicine and the Internet.</p>
<p>Religious apologists claiming credit for the likes of Maxwell, Salk, Einstein and Shockley just disgusts me.</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Pastafarians seek equal time « Joanne Jacobs -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Swede</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BadaBing,

Now that is being mean spirited. Implying repeatedly that just because somebody does not share your religious views that they are not &quot;thankful.&quot; Why is it so incomprehensible to you that, on this day of giving thanks, that many people think about their family and friends rather than spend it in religious reflection? Are your blinders really on that tight, BadaBing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BadaBing,</p>
<p>Now that is being mean spirited. Implying repeatedly that just because somebody does not share your religious views that they are not &#8220;thankful.&#8221; Why is it so incomprehensible to you that, on this day of giving thanks, that many people think about their family and friends rather than spend it in religious reflection? Are your blinders really on that tight, BadaBing?</p>
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		<title>By: BadaBing</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/11/pastafarians-seek-equal-time/#comment-52623</link>
		<dc:creator>BadaBing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Engineer-Poet and Ben F:

Today is Thanksgiving. Assuming you&#039;re thankful for something, to whom do you give thanks? Everything exists by chance, not design, and since there is no Designer, to whom do you give thanks? Assuming, that is, you&#039;re thankful. And I don&#039;t mean thankful to humans, such as yourself, parents, teachers, Darwin, etc. but thankful to something other than human for bringing you into existence. Assuming, that is, you&#039;re thankful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Engineer-Poet and Ben F:</p>
<p>Today is Thanksgiving. Assuming you&#8217;re thankful for something, to whom do you give thanks? Everything exists by chance, not design, and since there is no Designer, to whom do you give thanks? Assuming, that is, you&#8217;re thankful. And I don&#8217;t mean thankful to humans, such as yourself, parents, teachers, Darwin, etc. but thankful to something other than human for bringing you into existence. Assuming, that is, you&#8217;re thankful.</p>
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