<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Send more kids to college</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/10/send-more-kids-to-college/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/10/send-more-kids-to-college/</link>
	<description>Free-linking and thinking on education by Joanne Jacobs</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:05:40 -0700</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Send fewer students to college &#171; Joanne Jacobs</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/10/send-more-kids-to-college/comment-page-1/#comment-102033</link>
		<dc:creator>Send fewer students to college &#171; Joanne Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.joannejacobs.com/?p=11712#comment-102033</guid>
		<description>[...] response to Marcus Winters&#8217; call to send more students to college, Robert VerBruggen of Phi Beta Cons argues we&#8217;re sending too many as it is. . . . when 40 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] response to Marcus Winters&#8217; call to send more students to college, Robert VerBruggen of Phi Beta Cons argues we&#8217;re sending too many as it is. . . . when 40 [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: College Scholarships: How to Find Money for School &#124; Hispacnic Scholarship</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/10/send-more-kids-to-college/comment-page-1/#comment-101857</link>
		<dc:creator>College Scholarships: How to Find Money for School &#124; Hispacnic Scholarship</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.joannejacobs.com/?p=11712#comment-101857</guid>
		<description>[...] Send more kids to college « Joanne Jacobs    Share and Enjoy: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Send more kids to college « Joanne Jacobs    Share and Enjoy: [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Richard Aubrey</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/10/send-more-kids-to-college/comment-page-1/#comment-101795</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Aubrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.joannejacobs.com/?p=11712#comment-101795</guid>
		<description>There is a museum not far from my home which includes Civil War memorabilia.
There is a recruiting poster exclaiming:
&quot;THE GOTHS AND VANDALS ARE AT THE GATES OF THE FEDERAL CITY!!&quot;
The target audience was adventurous young guys--farmers mostly--from central Michigan who might have completed the sixth grade.
The author of the recruiting poster figured they&#039;d get the metaphor.
Today, &quot;Cool, heavy metal bands.&quot;
Try the McGuffey Reader. Any age.  Figure that, if they read anything, or were read to out of anything, it was the Bible, KJV. If nothing else. There&#039;s some language for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a museum not far from my home which includes Civil War memorabilia.<br />
There is a recruiting poster exclaiming:<br />
&#8220;THE GOTHS AND VANDALS ARE AT THE GATES OF THE FEDERAL CITY!!&#8221;<br />
The target audience was adventurous young guys&#8211;farmers mostly&#8211;from central Michigan who might have completed the sixth grade.<br />
The author of the recruiting poster figured they&#8217;d get the metaphor.<br />
Today, &#8220;Cool, heavy metal bands.&#8221;<br />
Try the McGuffey Reader. Any age.  Figure that, if they read anything, or were read to out of anything, it was the Bible, KJV. If nothing else. There&#8217;s some language for you.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/10/send-more-kids-to-college/comment-page-1/#comment-101792</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.joannejacobs.com/?p=11712#comment-101792</guid>
		<description>I was at a gem and mineral show this weekend.  At one booth there was a box labeled &quot;magnetic rings&quot;.  Two kids of 10 or 11 walked up and were looking at everything.  One said to the other, &quot;cool! look, some kind of rings!&quot;  The other said, &quot;what are they?&quot;

Neither could read the word &quot;magnetic,&quot; and they had no phonetic tools to help them out.  They looked at me and, at first, I didn&#039;t understand the problem.  Finally, I realized they expected me to read it to them, so I did.

I&#039;m sure I had read _Tom Swift and His Magnetic Silencer_ by their age, I had read just about all of them by fourth grade.  These kids have probably logged a lot of time on the video games, not so much on the books.

I don&#039;t think we need more kids in college, I think we need a higher percentage of those who go making it to graduation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at a gem and mineral show this weekend.  At one booth there was a box labeled &#8220;magnetic rings&#8221;.  Two kids of 10 or 11 walked up and were looking at everything.  One said to the other, &#8220;cool! look, some kind of rings!&#8221;  The other said, &#8220;what are they?&#8221;</p>
<p>Neither could read the word &#8220;magnetic,&#8221; and they had no phonetic tools to help them out.  They looked at me and, at first, I didn&#8217;t understand the problem.  Finally, I realized they expected me to read it to them, so I did.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure I had read _Tom Swift and His Magnetic Silencer_ by their age, I had read just about all of them by fourth grade.  These kids have probably logged a lot of time on the video games, not so much on the books.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we need more kids in college, I think we need a higher percentage of those who go making it to graduation.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: uberVU - social comments</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/10/send-more-kids-to-college/comment-page-1/#comment-101762</link>
		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.joannejacobs.com/?p=11712#comment-101762</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Social comments and analytics for this post...&lt;/strong&gt;

This post was mentioned on Twitter by kriley19: Joanne Jacobs: Send more kids to college http://bit.ly/35Vg6f Full http://bit.ly/1vdPvB...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Social comments and analytics for this post&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>This post was mentioned on Twitter by kriley19: Joanne Jacobs: Send more kids to college <a href="http://bit.ly/35Vg6f" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/35Vg6f</a> Full <a href="http://bit.ly/1vdPvB.." rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/1vdPvB..</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Parent2</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/10/send-more-kids-to-college/comment-page-1/#comment-101753</link>
		<dc:creator>Parent2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.joannejacobs.com/?p=11712#comment-101753</guid>
		<description>Any number of authors thought to be too challenging for today&#039;s average high school student supported themselves by writing in installments.  Dickens is perhaps the best known.  Thackeray and Eliot also published novels in installments.

&quot;Released in serial format once a month or once a week, the novels were cheap and accessible—analogous to today’s best serial TV shows. Victorians of all classes read them aloud in groups and passed the pages from hand to hand. &quot;

(http://shass.mit.edu/research/literature_hyperstudio)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any number of authors thought to be too challenging for today&#8217;s average high school student supported themselves by writing in installments.  Dickens is perhaps the best known.  Thackeray and Eliot also published novels in installments.</p>
<p>&#8220;Released in serial format once a month or once a week, the novels were cheap and accessible—analogous to today’s best serial TV shows. Victorians of all classes read them aloud in groups and passed the pages from hand to hand. &#8221;</p>
<p>(<a href="http://shass.mit.edu/research/literature_hyperstudio" rel="nofollow">http://shass.mit.edu/research/literature_hyperstudio</a>)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/10/send-more-kids-to-college/comment-page-1/#comment-101742</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 03:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.joannejacobs.com/?p=11712#comment-101742</guid>
		<description>Actually, when the US Supreme Court decided Plyler vs Doe (1982) that was pretty much the start of the educational decline in this nation (that decision 5-4 says that every child has a right to a public education, regardless of immigration status, which is the reason why a public school may NOT legally ask the question - is your child legally authorized to be in the United States).

The dissenters in that decision stated that the courts were not the solution to every problem which plagues society, and that children in the US illegally were free to obtain an education from their nation of citizenship.

That being said, the United States will fall into decline over the next 10-30 years due to the incessant dumbing down of our population (A population which cannot think for themselves is quite easy to control).

Something to think about folks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, when the US Supreme Court decided Plyler vs Doe (1982) that was pretty much the start of the educational decline in this nation (that decision 5-4 says that every child has a right to a public education, regardless of immigration status, which is the reason why a public school may NOT legally ask the question &#8211; is your child legally authorized to be in the United States).</p>
<p>The dissenters in that decision stated that the courts were not the solution to every problem which plagues society, and that children in the US illegally were free to obtain an education from their nation of citizenship.</p>
<p>That being said, the United States will fall into decline over the next 10-30 years due to the incessant dumbing down of our population (A population which cannot think for themselves is quite easy to control).</p>
<p>Something to think about folks&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: david foster</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/10/send-more-kids-to-college/comment-page-1/#comment-101740</link>
		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 02:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.joannejacobs.com/?p=11712#comment-101740</guid>
		<description>Stacy...some interesting stuff about literacy, here:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_4_urbanities-classics.html#&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the classics in the slums&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stacy&#8230;some interesting stuff about literacy, here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_4_urbanities-classics.html#" rel="nofollow">the classics in the slums</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Stacy</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/10/send-more-kids-to-college/comment-page-1/#comment-101738</link>
		<dc:creator>Stacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.joannejacobs.com/?p=11712#comment-101738</guid>
		<description>Don,

&quot;Most of the population was highly literate. They read in detail as a normal part of daily life,...&quot;

How do you know that that is true?  Because Postman says so?  If you can reference statistical data then I&#039;m ready to acquiece to your point.

The complexity of the language was richer in past generations, but were &quot;most&quot; people really accessing it?  Or was it the same 30% or so that now consumes literature and more complex non-fiction?

One error in how we think about modern literacy is projecting the expectation of the truely literate class of past generations onto the working classes of our modern world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,</p>
<p>&#8220;Most of the population was highly literate. They read in detail as a normal part of daily life,&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>How do you know that that is true?  Because Postman says so?  If you can reference statistical data then I&#8217;m ready to acquiece to your point.</p>
<p>The complexity of the language was richer in past generations, but were &#8220;most&#8221; people really accessing it?  Or was it the same 30% or so that now consumes literature and more complex non-fiction?</p>
<p>One error in how we think about modern literacy is projecting the expectation of the truely literate class of past generations onto the working classes of our modern world.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Don Bemont</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/10/send-more-kids-to-college/comment-page-1/#comment-101731</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Bemont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.joannejacobs.com/?p=11712#comment-101731</guid>
		<description>Stacy said:
&quot;So, I guess, I question Don’s point that prior to the inventions of screens we were more print focused. I think the top 30% (intellectually) of the population was more print focused, but not the rest. Perhaps our mistake is assuming that the entire population desires or is even capable of a more academic education.&quot;

Well, although I feel old as the hills and my students like to tell me I came from a cave, I have to admit I was not around to act as a first hand witness  :)

I am stealing here from Neil Postman, but one of the best ways to understand the literacy of a previous era is to read through the speeches that were delivered to and actually worked on regular people. Wildly popular literature from past eras points in the same direction. Postman&#039;s Amusing Ourselves to Death gives plenty of examples.

That the printed page could be seen as a competitor rather than a complement to ordinary life would have stunned such people, and their language, attention span, and background knowledge on a variety of topics would be stunning to us today.   

If you are saying that 70% of the people were not academic in those eras, you are certainly accurate.  Most of the population was highly literate.  They read in detail as a normal part of daily life, in much the same sense as most watched TV over the past decades and most young people are now fluent at texting.  Print was the dominant mass medium, and, in order to take part in the culture, people read, they read quite a lot, and they read well, certainly as compared to today.  Reading did not compete with real life, it WAS real life.  However, that does not mean that they were academic. 

This changed gradually at first, perhaps with photography, certainly with increasingly sophisticated movies, and then, dramatically, as TVs came into the home.

Almost every demand of a history, math, science, or English class is a greater stretch for the mind raised on screen media than it is for the mind raised on print -- even if that print was not at all academic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stacy said:<br />
&#8220;So, I guess, I question Don’s point that prior to the inventions of screens we were more print focused. I think the top 30% (intellectually) of the population was more print focused, but not the rest. Perhaps our mistake is assuming that the entire population desires or is even capable of a more academic education.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, although I feel old as the hills and my students like to tell me I came from a cave, I have to admit I was not around to act as a first hand witness  <img src='http://www.joannejacobs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I am stealing here from Neil Postman, but one of the best ways to understand the literacy of a previous era is to read through the speeches that were delivered to and actually worked on regular people. Wildly popular literature from past eras points in the same direction. Postman&#8217;s Amusing Ourselves to Death gives plenty of examples.</p>
<p>That the printed page could be seen as a competitor rather than a complement to ordinary life would have stunned such people, and their language, attention span, and background knowledge on a variety of topics would be stunning to us today.   </p>
<p>If you are saying that 70% of the people were not academic in those eras, you are certainly accurate.  Most of the population was highly literate.  They read in detail as a normal part of daily life, in much the same sense as most watched TV over the past decades and most young people are now fluent at texting.  Print was the dominant mass medium, and, in order to take part in the culture, people read, they read quite a lot, and they read well, certainly as compared to today.  Reading did not compete with real life, it WAS real life.  However, that does not mean that they were academic. </p>
<p>This changed gradually at first, perhaps with photography, certainly with increasingly sophisticated movies, and then, dramatically, as TVs came into the home.</p>
<p>Almost every demand of a history, math, science, or English class is a greater stretch for the mind raised on screen media than it is for the mind raised on print &#8212; even if that print was not at all academic.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

<!-- Dynamic Page Served (once) in 0.361 seconds -->
