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		<title>By: Robert Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/08/pill-popper/#comment-49236</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joycem, you state

&quot;Taking meds at a predictable and regular time has solid medical evidence behind it–and some meds absolutely require it.&quot;

Of course.

But that doesn&#039;t mean it has to be during school hours.

If I have to stop every time I see a white pill passed in the hallway to see if Bayer is written on it, I&#039;m going to look the other way.

A zero tolerance policy won&#039;t eliminate a drug problem at a school, but without, it makes enforcement near impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joycem, you state</p>
<p>&#8220;Taking meds at a predictable and regular time has solid medical evidence behind it–and some meds absolutely require it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course.</p>
<p>But that doesn&#8217;t mean it has to be during school hours.</p>
<p>If I have to stop every time I see a white pill passed in the hallway to see if Bayer is written on it, I&#8217;m going to look the other way.</p>
<p>A zero tolerance policy won&#8217;t eliminate a drug problem at a school, but without, it makes enforcement near impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/08/pill-popper/#comment-49235</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly,  I would not want girls taking BC pills openly in school.  This is quite different from asthma medication or any meds needed to treat a medical condition. The girl&#039;s parent is brain dead - she is making a statement saying that sexual activity for pre-adults is okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly,  I would not want girls taking BC pills openly in school.  This is quite different from asthma medication or any meds needed to treat a medical condition. The girl&#8217;s parent is brain dead &#8211; she is making a statement saying that sexual activity for pre-adults is okay.</p>
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		<title>By: joycem</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/08/pill-popper/#comment-49234</link>
		<dc:creator>joycem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Mr. Wright fully illustrates the ignorance behind the concept of &quot;zero tolerance.&quot;  Clearly, Mr. Wright, you&#039;ve never had to deal with a child with a serious medical condition, either as a parent or as a teacher.  It&#039;s lovely to be so righteous--especially when your stance has been disproven as valid--and adhere to ideology in the absence of all common sense.

The presence of controlled OTC and prescription substances makes it much more logical and easier to regulate illegal drugs.  The school my son went to that had that heavy-duty zero-tolerance program also had a very serious drug and alcohol problem--and the students were smuggling alcohol into school and dispensing it via breath spray.  Under teacher supervision.

Furthermore, Mr. Wright, as you yourself state, &quot;logical reasons aren&#039;t necessarily good ones.&quot;  The logic of medical dosing supersedes the so-called logic of zero tolerance.  Taking meds at a predictable and regular time has solid medical evidence behind it--and some meds absolutely require it.  The school rule is simply one of convenience, not one based on biochemistry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Mr. Wright fully illustrates the ignorance behind the concept of &#8220;zero tolerance.&#8221;  Clearly, Mr. Wright, you&#8217;ve never had to deal with a child with a serious medical condition, either as a parent or as a teacher.  It&#8217;s lovely to be so righteous&#8211;especially when your stance has been disproven as valid&#8211;and adhere to ideology in the absence of all common sense.</p>
<p>The presence of controlled OTC and prescription substances makes it much more logical and easier to regulate illegal drugs.  The school my son went to that had that heavy-duty zero-tolerance program also had a very serious drug and alcohol problem&#8211;and the students were smuggling alcohol into school and dispensing it via breath spray.  Under teacher supervision.</p>
<p>Furthermore, Mr. Wright, as you yourself state, &#8220;logical reasons aren&#8217;t necessarily good ones.&#8221;  The logic of medical dosing supersedes the so-called logic of zero tolerance.  Taking meds at a predictable and regular time has solid medical evidence behind it&#8211;and some meds absolutely require it.  The school rule is simply one of convenience, not one based on biochemistry.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/08/pill-popper/#comment-49233</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes she had a logical reason for the time frame.

Convenience.

Logical reasons aren&#039;t necessarily good ones.

The school has a logical and a good reason for the no pills on campus rule. Allowing OTC drugs would make it much harder to stop the possession and distribution of illegal drugs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes she had a logical reason for the time frame.</p>
<p>Convenience.</p>
<p>Logical reasons aren&#8217;t necessarily good ones.</p>
<p>The school has a logical and a good reason for the no pills on campus rule. Allowing OTC drugs would make it much harder to stop the possession and distribution of illegal drugs.</p>
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		<title>By: Soapbox Diva</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/08/pill-popper/#comment-49232</link>
		<dc:creator>Soapbox Diva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 04:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Birth control pill are often prescribed for medical reasons and one cannot assume that the girl is a whore or sexually active just because she is taking birth control pills.  I had to take them to regulate my periods when I was younger and I was a virgin at the time I took them.  How easy we are to condem people.

The comment about her being involved in activities means that she would not have a consistent schedule before or after school.  Her lunch period probably is the most consistent time of the day for her. She had a logical reason for the time frame.

She should be allowed to take them at lunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Birth control pill are often prescribed for medical reasons and one cannot assume that the girl is a whore or sexually active just because she is taking birth control pills.  I had to take them to regulate my periods when I was younger and I was a virgin at the time I took them.  How easy we are to condem people.</p>
<p>The comment about her being involved in activities means that she would not have a consistent schedule before or after school.  Her lunch period probably is the most consistent time of the day for her. She had a logical reason for the time frame.</p>
<p>She should be allowed to take them at lunch.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/08/pill-popper/#comment-49231</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If my son has a splitting headache at school, would I like him to be able to take a Tylenol, either one he has in his backpack or one a friend would give him.

No. I&#039;d want him to just suffer through that pain until the school day was over.

Why? Because without a zero tolerance policy against pills, then there is no policy at all.

I&#039;d rather have him go a school where drugs aren&#039;t a serious problem.

It&#039;s a trade-off.

There&#039;s no real danger to anyone if a student has a couple of Tylenol in his backpack. Nor is there any danger if there is an unloaded gun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If my son has a splitting headache at school, would I like him to be able to take a Tylenol, either one he has in his backpack or one a friend would give him.</p>
<p>No. I&#8217;d want him to just suffer through that pain until the school day was over.</p>
<p>Why? Because without a zero tolerance policy against pills, then there is no policy at all.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather have him go a school where drugs aren&#8217;t a serious problem.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a trade-off.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no real danger to anyone if a student has a couple of Tylenol in his backpack. Nor is there any danger if there is an unloaded gun.</p>
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		<title>By: Cardinal Fang</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/08/pill-popper/#comment-49230</link>
		<dc:creator>Cardinal Fang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how rightwingers are so quick to condemn sexually active teenagers unless the teenager happens to be the daughter of a right wing politician. Or did I miss the chorus of rightwingers calling Bristol Palin a &quot;whore&quot;? Are sexually active teenage boys &quot;whores&quot; too, rightwingprof, or do you only condemn girls?

And we don&#039;t even know Miss Jackson is sexually active-- birth control pills are occasionally prescribed to girls with particularly painful periods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how rightwingers are so quick to condemn sexually active teenagers unless the teenager happens to be the daughter of a right wing politician. Or did I miss the chorus of rightwingers calling Bristol Palin a &#8220;whore&#8221;? Are sexually active teenage boys &#8220;whores&#8221; too, rightwingprof, or do you only condemn girls?</p>
<p>And we don&#8217;t even know Miss Jackson is sexually active&#8211; birth control pills are occasionally prescribed to girls with particularly painful periods.</p>
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		<title>By: rightwingprof</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/08/pill-popper/#comment-49229</link>
		<dc:creator>rightwingprof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because it&#039;s legal for her to be a whore doesn&#039;t mean she should be a whore, nor does it mean the school should help her be a whore, nor does it mean that being a whore is a great thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because it&#8217;s legal for her to be a whore doesn&#8217;t mean she should be a whore, nor does it mean the school should help her be a whore, nor does it mean that being a whore is a great thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Margo/Mom</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/08/pill-popper/#comment-49228</link>
		<dc:creator>Margo/Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 13:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>parent2--what you are describing is in fact the case in a number of schools. I haven&#039;t encountered any that serve coffee in the cafeteria (when I was subbing, it was sometimes hard enough to find in the the teachers lounge), although I would wager that if Folgers offered an exclusive and put up a lighted football scoreboard that might change. And I will grant the difficulty in finding balance when charged with the care and safety of a large group of young people with varying degrees of sound judgment. In some of my years at camp it was my job, under supervision of a nurse, to ensure the security and dispensing of meds. This included the full range from aspirin to antipsychotics. Somehow the implementation of policy goes more smoothly when there is thought given to what it is to accomplish--ensuring health and safety in this case.

But--there are also lots of other things that start to intervene. There are the beliefs such as Robert Wright offered--that anything other than zero tolerance for anything that goes by the name of drug leads to overwhelming &quot;drug problems.&quot; But there have also been kerfuffles over who is to administer any medication. I believe it was California where legislation teetered back and forth with regard to whether a school employee could be trained to administer insulin. Nurses said no. IDEA says that kids with diabetes are to be accommodated. What this has frequently meant is that, in the absence of a school nurse either the parent had to be on call and make regular visits to administer the insulin (even if the child regularly self-administers at home--and the parent is not a nurse), or the child can be put on &quot;home instruction.&quot; This doesn&#039;t even touch on grey areas like OTC meds in a high school student&#039;s purse.

Even so, the appropriate response to policy breaches of this sort has to be along the lines of educating regarding the policy (and why it exists), and support for aligning with the policy--in order to protect the health and safety of the students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>parent2&#8211;what you are describing is in fact the case in a number of schools. I haven&#8217;t encountered any that serve coffee in the cafeteria (when I was subbing, it was sometimes hard enough to find in the the teachers lounge), although I would wager that if Folgers offered an exclusive and put up a lighted football scoreboard that might change. And I will grant the difficulty in finding balance when charged with the care and safety of a large group of young people with varying degrees of sound judgment. In some of my years at camp it was my job, under supervision of a nurse, to ensure the security and dispensing of meds. This included the full range from aspirin to antipsychotics. Somehow the implementation of policy goes more smoothly when there is thought given to what it is to accomplish&#8211;ensuring health and safety in this case.</p>
<p>But&#8211;there are also lots of other things that start to intervene. There are the beliefs such as Robert Wright offered&#8211;that anything other than zero tolerance for anything that goes by the name of drug leads to overwhelming &#8220;drug problems.&#8221; But there have also been kerfuffles over who is to administer any medication. I believe it was California where legislation teetered back and forth with regard to whether a school employee could be trained to administer insulin. Nurses said no. IDEA says that kids with diabetes are to be accommodated. What this has frequently meant is that, in the absence of a school nurse either the parent had to be on call and make regular visits to administer the insulin (even if the child regularly self-administers at home&#8211;and the parent is not a nurse), or the child can be put on &#8220;home instruction.&#8221; This doesn&#8217;t even touch on grey areas like OTC meds in a high school student&#8217;s purse.</p>
<p>Even so, the appropriate response to policy breaches of this sort has to be along the lines of educating regarding the policy (and why it exists), and support for aligning with the policy&#8211;in order to protect the health and safety of the students.</p>
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		<title>By: Parent2</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/08/pill-popper/#comment-49227</link>
		<dc:creator>Parent2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 04:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was this worth the administrators&#039; time?

Twenty-five minutes for lunch doesn&#039;t leave enough time to walk to the nurses&#039; office, receive the medication, take it, return to the cafeteria, and eat lunch.  I assume that her school has nurses on staff--that may be an unwarranted assumption.

The girl is an athlete.  Early morning practices and a varied schedule of games lead to a disrupted schedule.  Lunchtime may be the meal most likely to be at the same time each day.  Of course, if she can&#039;t carry it in her backpack, she must take it at home--so even when she could sleep in, she&#039;d need to get up at 4:30, say, to take the pill at the same time each day.

It would be better to allow students to carry legally prescribed medication on their persons--medicines for asthma, allergies, birth control pills, tylenol.

By the logic of the schools, they shouldn&#039;t serve coffee.  The cafeteria shouldn&#039;t serve anything made with eggs, wheat, milk, sesame, or soy, let alone peanuts.  Someone could have an allergic reaction, and of course, strong coffee can really wake someone up.

Not allowing students to carry inhalers, epi-pens, and benadryl makes it much more likely that a student will go into anaphylactic shock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was this worth the administrators&#8217; time?</p>
<p>Twenty-five minutes for lunch doesn&#8217;t leave enough time to walk to the nurses&#8217; office, receive the medication, take it, return to the cafeteria, and eat lunch.  I assume that her school has nurses on staff&#8211;that may be an unwarranted assumption.</p>
<p>The girl is an athlete.  Early morning practices and a varied schedule of games lead to a disrupted schedule.  Lunchtime may be the meal most likely to be at the same time each day.  Of course, if she can&#8217;t carry it in her backpack, she must take it at home&#8211;so even when she could sleep in, she&#8217;d need to get up at 4:30, say, to take the pill at the same time each day.</p>
<p>It would be better to allow students to carry legally prescribed medication on their persons&#8211;medicines for asthma, allergies, birth control pills, tylenol.</p>
<p>By the logic of the schools, they shouldn&#8217;t serve coffee.  The cafeteria shouldn&#8217;t serve anything made with eggs, wheat, milk, sesame, or soy, let alone peanuts.  Someone could have an allergic reaction, and of course, strong coffee can really wake someone up.</p>
<p>Not allowing students to carry inhalers, epi-pens, and benadryl makes it much more likely that a student will go into anaphylactic shock.</p>
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