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		<title>By: Lightly Seasoned</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/07/hidden-curriculum/#comment-48190</link>
		<dc:creator>Lightly Seasoned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe all those Rabbit books really took place in &#039;burbs of London.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe all those Rabbit books really took place in &#8216;burbs of London.</p>
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		<title>By: Margo/Mom</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/07/hidden-curriculum/#comment-48189</link>
		<dc:creator>Margo/Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Updike is British?</description>
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		<title>By: Lightly Seasoned</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/07/hidden-curriculum/#comment-48188</link>
		<dc:creator>Lightly Seasoned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 03:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a great fan of Sedaris, actually, but am surprised that they get away with teaching him.  I don&#039;t think he is trashy at all (Holidays on Ice is an incredibly sweet exploration of human vulnerablity), but neither is he really suitable for high school.

I suggested the reading list for IB, not the program itself.  Please don&#039;t have a caps-cow. The literature selections are excellent, regardless of how they are taught.

Jane Eyre in 8th grade?  I guess that&#039;s when you&#039;d have to teach it so all the sexual innuendo and social transgressiveness will sail over their heads.  It&#039;s always been one of my favorites, but it is sooo much more fun to read now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a great fan of Sedaris, actually, but am surprised that they get away with teaching him.  I don&#8217;t think he is trashy at all (Holidays on Ice is an incredibly sweet exploration of human vulnerablity), but neither is he really suitable for high school.</p>
<p>I suggested the reading list for IB, not the program itself.  Please don&#8217;t have a caps-cow. The literature selections are excellent, regardless of how they are taught.</p>
<p>Jane Eyre in 8th grade?  I guess that&#8217;s when you&#8217;d have to teach it so all the sexual innuendo and social transgressiveness will sail over their heads.  It&#8217;s always been one of my favorites, but it is sooo much more fun to read now.</p>
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		<title>By: MOMwithAbrain</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/07/hidden-curriculum/#comment-48187</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To clarify, he&#039;s a SENIOR this coming year.  HE is taking British Lit.  We don&#039;t have a list of books that he&#039;s required to read just yet, but I thought he said it would be  The Centaur by John Updike
and A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens and MacBeth?  Not exactly sure just yet.

Last year he took American Lit in 11th grade.

Note the lack of TRASH that is required reading in the nearby public school, with that of what the private school requires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify, he&#8217;s a SENIOR this coming year.  HE is taking British Lit.  We don&#8217;t have a list of books that he&#8217;s required to read just yet, but I thought he said it would be  The Centaur by John Updike<br />
and A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens and MacBeth?  Not exactly sure just yet.</p>
<p>Last year he took American Lit in 11th grade.</p>
<p>Note the lack of TRASH that is required reading in the nearby public school, with that of what the private school requires.</p>
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		<title>By: MOMwithAbrain</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/07/hidden-curriculum/#comment-48186</link>
		<dc:creator>MOMwithAbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son already read some of those books on your list prior to entering 11th grade.    I think he read Jane Eyre, Shakespeare&#039;s Othello and Taming of the Shrew and Pride and Prejudice in 8th grade.

As far as IB goes, it&#039;s a Constructivist setting where kids have to teach themselves.  I&#039;m not sending them to school for the teacher to &quot;facilitate&quot;.  IB is more political indoctrination courtesy of UNESCO.  I&#039;d rather he be educated, instead of indoctrinated.  IB is on record for being a program that seeks to create peace activists among the student population via Values Clarification.  My kids are not seeking to become UN peace keepers.

His Honors America Lit was not an AP class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son already read some of those books on your list prior to entering 11th grade.    I think he read Jane Eyre, Shakespeare&#8217;s Othello and Taming of the Shrew and Pride and Prejudice in 8th grade.</p>
<p>As far as IB goes, it&#8217;s a Constructivist setting where kids have to teach themselves.  I&#8217;m not sending them to school for the teacher to &#8220;facilitate&#8221;.  IB is more political indoctrination courtesy of UNESCO.  I&#8217;d rather he be educated, instead of indoctrinated.  IB is on record for being a program that seeks to create peace activists among the student population via Values Clarification.  My kids are not seeking to become UN peace keepers.</p>
<p>His Honors America Lit was not an AP class.</p>
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		<title>By: Ragnarok</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/07/hidden-curriculum/#comment-48185</link>
		<dc:creator>Ragnarok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;You might want to compare your school’s curriculum to that of schools (public, usually) doing IB or AP to see what advanced seniors are generally asked to read.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Why not look at the standard seniors&#039; reading list?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;You might want to compare your school’s curriculum to that of schools (public, usually) doing IB or AP to see what advanced seniors are generally asked to read.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Why not look at the standard seniors&#8217; reading list?</p>
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		<title>By: Lightly Seasoned</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/07/hidden-curriculum/#comment-48184</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am lit is usually 10th or 11th -- I don&#039;t consider those senior level novels, esp. for an Hnrs. or AP class.  You might want to compare your school&#039;s curriculum to that of schools (public, usually) doing IB or AP to  see what advanced seniors are generally asked to read.  We use My Antonia for freshmen, for example.  My seniors, depending on the course, are asked to read:
Frankenstein
Dracula
Wuthering Heights
Jane Eyre
Reservation Blues
Heart of Darkness
Paradise Lost
The Importance of Being Ernest
Shakespeare (Othello, Macbeth, and/or Taming of the Shrew)
Mrs. Dalloway
Ceremony
One Hundred Years of Solitude
Assorted Kafka and Borges
Palace Walk
A Tale of Two Cities
Pride and Prejudice
Poems from Sound and Sense and The National Poetry Project
The Metaphysical Poets
etc... probably other stuff I can&#039;t think of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am lit is usually 10th or 11th &#8212; I don&#8217;t consider those senior level novels, esp. for an Hnrs. or AP class.  You might want to compare your school&#8217;s curriculum to that of schools (public, usually) doing IB or AP to  see what advanced seniors are generally asked to read.  We use My Antonia for freshmen, for example.  My seniors, depending on the course, are asked to read:<br />
Frankenstein<br />
Dracula<br />
Wuthering Heights<br />
Jane Eyre<br />
Reservation Blues<br />
Heart of Darkness<br />
Paradise Lost<br />
The Importance of Being Ernest<br />
Shakespeare (Othello, Macbeth, and/or Taming of the Shrew)<br />
Mrs. Dalloway<br />
Ceremony<br />
One Hundred Years of Solitude<br />
Assorted Kafka and Borges<br />
Palace Walk<br />
A Tale of Two Cities<br />
Pride and Prejudice<br />
Poems from Sound and Sense and The National Poetry Project<br />
The Metaphysical Poets<br />
etc&#8230; probably other stuff I can&#8217;t think of.</p>
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		<title>By: MOMwithAbrain</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/07/hidden-curriculum/#comment-48183</link>
		<dc:creator>MOMwithAbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 23:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since my kids are not permitted in the public school system, simply because I prefer them to graduate...LITERATE let&#039;s look at a few things.

First of all, we pay for pubic schools.  It&#039;s reasonable to request posting texts/curriculum online.  It&#039;s really not that big of a deal to request transparency, is it?

Second, my youngest will be starting 5th grade next year in a Catholic school.  Last year two kids from the public schools transferred into his school to start 6th grade.  After a few weeks they quickly discovered that those two children were no where near the other 6th graders who had gone k-6 in the Catholic school.  Those two children were then placed in the 5th grade.

By 6th grade our students are ONE grade level AHEAD of the public school students.

When my son brings home his homework, rarely do I have to sit down with him and do it with him.  ONce in a while he&#039;ll ask me a question for clarification, but often times he knows how to do the homework because luckily he is in a school where they actually TEACH instead of allowing him to flounder around trying to teach himself.

I&#039;ve personally tutored kids who were in math classes where they were expected to teach themselves Alg. I.  Here&#039;s a clue...it didn&#039;t work.  They came to me and I did the job of the teacher...and TAUGHT them.

Now are we going to continue to try to figure out why our country falls far behind the rest of the world?  I&#039;d say it&#039;s pretty simple.  TEACH the KIDS.
RETURN TO TRADITIONAL methods of teaching
ABANDON the FADS
Kick PSYCHOLOGY OUT of the Schools of ED and Education

Oh, and one more point...my 12th grader last year had to read several books for his Honors American Lit class....
Books like:
The Great Gatsby
The Fountainhead
Grapes of Wrath
My Antonia
A Farewell to Arms
The Scarlet Letter
...and a few others

Compare that to the reading assigned to a friend in the public high school that had to read...I LIKE GUYS by Sedaris who is a gay activist and The Crack Cocaine Diet.

Now.....who do you think is getting a QUALITY education?

The Ed establishment in many public schools rejected the Traditional Carnegie type of Education and bought into the fads that will prepare them to flip my hamburgers at McDonalds!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since my kids are not permitted in the public school system, simply because I prefer them to graduate&#8230;LITERATE let&#8217;s look at a few things.</p>
<p>First of all, we pay for pubic schools.  It&#8217;s reasonable to request posting texts/curriculum online.  It&#8217;s really not that big of a deal to request transparency, is it?</p>
<p>Second, my youngest will be starting 5th grade next year in a Catholic school.  Last year two kids from the public schools transferred into his school to start 6th grade.  After a few weeks they quickly discovered that those two children were no where near the other 6th graders who had gone k-6 in the Catholic school.  Those two children were then placed in the 5th grade.</p>
<p>By 6th grade our students are ONE grade level AHEAD of the public school students.</p>
<p>When my son brings home his homework, rarely do I have to sit down with him and do it with him.  ONce in a while he&#8217;ll ask me a question for clarification, but often times he knows how to do the homework because luckily he is in a school where they actually TEACH instead of allowing him to flounder around trying to teach himself.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve personally tutored kids who were in math classes where they were expected to teach themselves Alg. I.  Here&#8217;s a clue&#8230;it didn&#8217;t work.  They came to me and I did the job of the teacher&#8230;and TAUGHT them.</p>
<p>Now are we going to continue to try to figure out why our country falls far behind the rest of the world?  I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s pretty simple.  TEACH the KIDS.<br />
RETURN TO TRADITIONAL methods of teaching<br />
ABANDON the FADS<br />
Kick PSYCHOLOGY OUT of the Schools of ED and Education</p>
<p>Oh, and one more point&#8230;my 12th grader last year had to read several books for his Honors American Lit class&#8230;.<br />
Books like:<br />
The Great Gatsby<br />
The Fountainhead<br />
Grapes of Wrath<br />
My Antonia<br />
A Farewell to Arms<br />
The Scarlet Letter<br />
&#8230;and a few others</p>
<p>Compare that to the reading assigned to a friend in the public high school that had to read&#8230;I LIKE GUYS by Sedaris who is a gay activist and The Crack Cocaine Diet.</p>
<p>Now&#8230;..who do you think is getting a QUALITY education?</p>
<p>The Ed establishment in many public schools rejected the Traditional Carnegie type of Education and bought into the fads that will prepare them to flip my hamburgers at McDonalds!</p>
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		<title>By: Cal</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/07/hidden-curriculum/#comment-48182</link>
		<dc:creator>Cal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I suggest you read this post over at KTM, Kitchen Table Math. It’s about how in some schools, there is no work that comes home. &quot;

If in fact the parents never see what their students are doing--ever--then yes, we could certainly agree that schools need to ensure that parents have access to their students&#039; work. But that&#039;s different from demanding the form that it take.

As a recent ed school graduate (or survivor), I think the fuss about curriculum is extremely overrated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I suggest you read this post over at KTM, Kitchen Table Math. It’s about how in some schools, there is no work that comes home. &#8221;</p>
<p>If in fact the parents never see what their students are doing&#8211;ever&#8211;then yes, we could certainly agree that schools need to ensure that parents have access to their students&#8217; work. But that&#8217;s different from demanding the form that it take.</p>
<p>As a recent ed school graduate (or survivor), I think the fuss about curriculum is extremely overrated.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Garelick</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/07/hidden-curriculum/#comment-48181</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Garelick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Education in the days of June Cleaver and Harriet Nelson was such that students didn&#039;t often need help from parents in order to do homework. Now schools are dependent on parents to actually teach their children what they simply don&#039;t teach them in school.  Like math facts for example.

And what good is an assignment like writing a research paper (3rd grade) when the students haven&#039;t been instructed how to do research, construct an outline, and so forth? What happens it that parents have to do the instruction the school leaves out, and most likely the project as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Education in the days of June Cleaver and Harriet Nelson was such that students didn&#8217;t often need help from parents in order to do homework. Now schools are dependent on parents to actually teach their children what they simply don&#8217;t teach them in school.  Like math facts for example.</p>
<p>And what good is an assignment like writing a research paper (3rd grade) when the students haven&#8217;t been instructed how to do research, construct an outline, and so forth? What happens it that parents have to do the instruction the school leaves out, and most likely the project as well.</p>
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