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		<title>By: The Merovingian</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/06/degrees-of-employment/comment-page-1/#comment-97793</link>
		<dc:creator>The Merovingian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is three-fold:

(1) Some college majors are literally useless. &quot;I don&#039;t have a major, but I Plan II.&quot;

(2) Some college majors now have computers and/or machines doing their jobs for them, or, they&#039;re not a sufficient skill set on their own for a job these days - as in, they&#039;re part of a larger skill set for a more comprehensive job now.

(3) Many college majors are for jobs that are now being shipped overseas these days. Gone are the days when factory workers were watching their jobs go to China and India; today, even engineers are watching their jobs go overseas.

How do we get colleges around the U.S. to update their cirriculua and reduce enrollment so that the students getting in are ready for the tough academic work ahead of them, and can major in subjects that are needed in the job market today? (Not 30 years ago.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is three-fold:</p>
<p>(1) Some college majors are literally useless. &#8220;I don&#8217;t have a major, but I Plan II.&#8221;</p>
<p>(2) Some college majors now have computers and/or machines doing their jobs for them, or, they&#8217;re not a sufficient skill set on their own for a job these days &#8211; as in, they&#8217;re part of a larger skill set for a more comprehensive job now.</p>
<p>(3) Many college majors are for jobs that are now being shipped overseas these days. Gone are the days when factory workers were watching their jobs go to China and India; today, even engineers are watching their jobs go overseas.</p>
<p>How do we get colleges around the U.S. to update their cirriculua and reduce enrollment so that the students getting in are ready for the tough academic work ahead of them, and can major in subjects that are needed in the job market today? (Not 30 years ago.)</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/06/degrees-of-employment/comment-page-1/#comment-97792</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised that more people don&#039;t understand that a bank teller is the entry-level job for all other jobs in banking, assuming that you don&#039;t have a specialized degree in finance or accounting or specialized experience.  A sizable majority of the upper level folks I met during my banking days had started their careers as bank tellers.

If you are not a college graduate, you might not advance beyond head teller, but for smart college graduates, the sky&#039;s the limit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised that more people don&#8217;t understand that a bank teller is the entry-level job for all other jobs in banking, assuming that you don&#8217;t have a specialized degree in finance or accounting or specialized experience.  A sizable majority of the upper level folks I met during my banking days had started their careers as bank tellers.</p>
<p>If you are not a college graduate, you might not advance beyond head teller, but for smart college graduates, the sky&#8217;s the limit.</p>
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		<title>By: Ragnarok</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/06/degrees-of-employment/comment-page-1/#comment-97774</link>
		<dc:creator>Ragnarok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;I really can’t tell from the article whether things have changed much or not.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t know, since I went to school in another country; but if you believe standardized tests such as TIMSS, the US is doing quite badly compared to the rest of the world.

And that&#039;s a matter for concern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;I really can’t tell from the article whether things have changed much or not.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know, since I went to school in another country; but if you believe standardized tests such as TIMSS, the US is doing quite badly compared to the rest of the world.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s a matter for concern.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/06/degrees-of-employment/comment-page-1/#comment-97769</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really can&#039;t tell from the article whether things have changed much or not.  When I graduated from college in the 80&#039;s, some of my friends, myself included, went to grad school.  Others, especially liberal arts grads, took office-type jobs.  Some others, with computer science degrees, took computer science jobs.  Aside from grad school, which wasn&#039;t employment, none of the jobs my friends took *required* a college degree - companies would have been just as willing to hire non-college grads with appropriate experience.

It may well be the case that things are worse now...but I&#039;d be interested to know how much worse, as this has always been going on.

And there must have been something to the college education, as everyone seems to have moved up into professional careers, the former secretaries even moving into managerial positions.

So I really think that you can read too much into this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really can&#8217;t tell from the article whether things have changed much or not.  When I graduated from college in the 80&#8217;s, some of my friends, myself included, went to grad school.  Others, especially liberal arts grads, took office-type jobs.  Some others, with computer science degrees, took computer science jobs.  Aside from grad school, which wasn&#8217;t employment, none of the jobs my friends took *required* a college degree &#8211; companies would have been just as willing to hire non-college grads with appropriate experience.</p>
<p>It may well be the case that things are worse now&#8230;but I&#8217;d be interested to know how much worse, as this has always been going on.</p>
<p>And there must have been something to the college education, as everyone seems to have moved up into professional careers, the former secretaries even moving into managerial positions.</p>
<p>So I really think that you can read too much into this.</p>
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		<title>By: bandit</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/06/degrees-of-employment/comment-page-1/#comment-97760</link>
		<dc:creator>bandit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;It’s comments like that one that make me despair for our country. That so many people believe–stupidly–as you do makes me fear for my children’s future.&lt;/b&gt;

Insecure much? Listening to Obama&#039;s supporters always strikes me as like listening to a debate in a freshman dorm room - anyone who disagrees with them is stupid and they have to tell you so to build themselves up. In the immortal line from &#039;Mean Girls&#039; &quot;Calling other people stupid doesn&#039;t make you any smarter&quot;. Truer words were never spoken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>It’s comments like that one that make me despair for our country. That so many people believe–stupidly–as you do makes me fear for my children’s future.</b></p>
<p>Insecure much? Listening to Obama&#8217;s supporters always strikes me as like listening to a debate in a freshman dorm room &#8211; anyone who disagrees with them is stupid and they have to tell you so to build themselves up. In the immortal line from &#8216;Mean Girls&#8217; &#8220;Calling other people stupid doesn&#8217;t make you any smarter&#8221;. Truer words were never spoken.</p>
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		<title>By: Ragnarok</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/06/degrees-of-employment/comment-page-1/#comment-97756</link>
		<dc:creator>Ragnarok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linda F said:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;I, too, have strong political opinions, ...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t, though. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda F said:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;I, too, have strong political opinions, &#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t, though. <img src='http://www.joannejacobs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kratos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kratos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ragnarok,

I agree, you&#039;re right about that too. The reason that our society is starting to fall apart at the seams is because there&#039;s more than enough corruption to go around; corrupt CEOs and accountants; corrupt Republican Presidents; corrupt Democratic Presidents; and a corrupt Congress.

Changing the filter does us no good when the machine itself is dirty...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ragnarok,</p>
<p>I agree, you&#8217;re right about that too. The reason that our society is starting to fall apart at the seams is because there&#8217;s more than enough corruption to go around; corrupt CEOs and accountants; corrupt Republican Presidents; corrupt Democratic Presidents; and a corrupt Congress.</p>
<p>Changing the filter does us no good when the machine itself is dirty&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tony G. Rocco</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/06/degrees-of-employment/comment-page-1/#comment-97752</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony G. Rocco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This blog post dovetails with the one about Louisiana adding a non-college career track for students who want to get into a trade. Perhaps a college degree isn&#039;t always the right road? Of course, the hard economic times are more challenging than most, when the poly sci graduate can&#039;t get a job, maybe it&#039;s time to think about welding or auto mechanics or electrical work? I made a living as a bartender for many years before I got on a career track in line with my journalism degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This blog post dovetails with the one about Louisiana adding a non-college career track for students who want to get into a trade. Perhaps a college degree isn&#8217;t always the right road? Of course, the hard economic times are more challenging than most, when the poly sci graduate can&#8217;t get a job, maybe it&#8217;s time to think about welding or auto mechanics or electrical work? I made a living as a bartender for many years before I got on a career track in line with my journalism degree.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Sweeny</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/06/degrees-of-employment/comment-page-1/#comment-97740</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Sweeny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ragnarok,

The people who run the auto companies hardly hate the federal government.  When Japanese imports became big during the &#039;70s, the auto companies got the feds to limit the number of imports allowed.  One reason that domestic SUVs have such a high profit margin is that imported SUVs face an especially high tariff.

The companies fight with the unions about how to split the pie but they make common cause with the unions (and all those votes) when it comes to securing competitive advantages to make that pie as big as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ragnarok,</p>
<p>The people who run the auto companies hardly hate the federal government.  When Japanese imports became big during the &#8217;70s, the auto companies got the feds to limit the number of imports allowed.  One reason that domestic SUVs have such a high profit margin is that imported SUVs face an especially high tariff.</p>
<p>The companies fight with the unions about how to split the pie but they make common cause with the unions (and all those votes) when it comes to securing competitive advantages to make that pie as big as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 00:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly, this is an area of disagreement.  I, too, have strong political opinions, but I chose to separate them from my professional life.  I blog at two spots, one at www.teacherlingo.com/blogs/dragonlady328pt

The other is where I do my political commentary - www.rightasusual.blogspot.com

Feel free to join me.  I&#039;ll have a post set up, where you can comment to your hearts content, left, right, center, libertarian, apolitical.  Let&#039;s leave Joanne&#039;s great site primarily focused on education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly, this is an area of disagreement.  I, too, have strong political opinions, but I chose to separate them from my professional life.  I blog at two spots, one at <a href="http://www.teacherlingo.com/blogs/dragonlady328pt" rel="nofollow">http://www.teacherlingo.com/blogs/dragonlady328pt</a></p>
<p>The other is where I do my political commentary &#8211; <a href="http://www.rightasusual.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.rightasusual.blogspot.com</a></p>
<p>Feel free to join me.  I&#8217;ll have a post set up, where you can comment to your hearts content, left, right, center, libertarian, apolitical.  Let&#8217;s leave Joanne&#8217;s great site primarily focused on education.</p>
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