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	<title>Comments on: Marriage &#039;isn&#039;t a priority&#039; for parents</title>
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		<title>By: Ragnarok</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/05/marriage-isnt-a-priority-for-parents/#comment-46757</link>
		<dc:creator>Ragnarok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 03:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;&quot;If all men knew that married or not they would be responsible for paying a child support fee to the state irrespective of whether or not their partner was able to support the kid, maybe they would learn to keep it zipped. Men are allowed to walk away from their responsibilities too easily and that’s most of the problem here in my opinion.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

What absolute feminist claptrap! And this in the land of no-fault divorce!</description>
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<p>What absolute feminist claptrap! And this in the land of no-fault divorce!</p>
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		<title>By: bandit</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/05/marriage-isnt-a-priority-for-parents/#comment-46756</link>
		<dc:creator>bandit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 17:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Until our society rejects the conceptual lack of morals that propogated in the 60’s this will continue. &lt;/b&gt;

don&#039;t hold your breath on that one - that went away when the single mom baby shower subindustry kicked in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Until our society rejects the conceptual lack of morals that propogated in the 60’s this will continue. </b></p>
<p>don&#8217;t hold your breath on that one &#8211; that went away when the single mom baby shower subindustry kicked in.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Freeman</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/05/marriage-isnt-a-priority-for-parents/#comment-46755</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 16:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; If all men knew that married or not they would be responsible for paying a child support fee to the state irrespective of whether or not their partner was able to support the kid, maybe they would learn to keep it zipped. Men are allowed to walk away from their responsibilities too easily and that’s most of the problem here in my opinion.

On the other hand, viewing men as checkbooks with feet seems to have consequences.

See http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2009/05/they-occupy-roughly-same-status-in.html (including the comments).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; If all men knew that married or not they would be responsible for paying a child support fee to the state irrespective of whether or not their partner was able to support the kid, maybe they would learn to keep it zipped. Men are allowed to walk away from their responsibilities too easily and that’s most of the problem here in my opinion.</p>
<p>On the other hand, viewing men as checkbooks with feet seems to have consequences.</p>
<p>See <a href="http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2009/05/they-occupy-roughly-same-status-in.html" rel="nofollow">http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2009/05/they-occupy-roughly-same-status-in.html</a> (including the comments).</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy W</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/05/marriage-isnt-a-priority-for-parents/#comment-46754</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 11:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; So what you end up with are lots of young promiscuous women to satisfy the needs of lots of young promiscuous men.&lt;/i&gt;

Honey, there&#039;s a reason that prostitution is called the world&#039;s oldest profession. It&#039;s been that way long before feminism.
There&#039;s also been a long history of men seducing women and dumping them ages before feminism. See Casanova&#039;s life history for example. To quote Shakespeare:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Sigh no more, ladies, sigh no more, Men were deceivers ever, One foot in sea and one on shore, To one thing constant never&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> So what you end up with are lots of young promiscuous women to satisfy the needs of lots of young promiscuous men.</i></p>
<p>Honey, there&#8217;s a reason that prostitution is called the world&#8217;s oldest profession. It&#8217;s been that way long before feminism.<br />
There&#8217;s also been a long history of men seducing women and dumping them ages before feminism. See Casanova&#8217;s life history for example. To quote Shakespeare:</p>
<blockquote><p>Sigh no more, ladies, sigh no more, Men were deceivers ever, One foot in sea and one on shore, To one thing constant never</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: BadaBing</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/05/marriage-isnt-a-priority-for-parents/#comment-46753</link>
		<dc:creator>BadaBing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 03:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the women aren&#039;t doing their job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the women aren&#8217;t doing their job.</p>
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		<title>By: Clix</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/05/marriage-isnt-a-priority-for-parents/#comment-46752</link>
		<dc:creator>Clix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 12:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Men need women to civilize them&quot;? Really? Maybe THAT&#039;S why &quot;women think all guys are creeps.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Men need women to civilize them&#8221;? Really? Maybe THAT&#8217;S why &#8220;women think all guys are creeps.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy W</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/05/marriage-isnt-a-priority-for-parents/#comment-46751</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 09:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Momof4 - you know what was likely going on during those all-male times and places don&#039;t you? The Fatal Shore, about convicts in Australia, covers that. There may have been no women around, but most of the men weren&#039;t practising celibacy.

And your story about the 1950s and 60s doesn&#039;t match with my Gran&#039;s stories, and my parents&#039; stories. My Gran lived in  a farm on the country and got a number of wayward daughters from various friends and relatives sent to her to wait out the 6 months until the baby was born and put up for adoption, and has plenty of stories about the reverse - women disappearing for 6 months. Or the mother of the girl who got in trouble pretended a pregnancy herself and the baby was raised as the younger sibling of their true mother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Momof4 &#8211; you know what was likely going on during those all-male times and places don&#8217;t you? The Fatal Shore, about convicts in Australia, covers that. There may have been no women around, but most of the men weren&#8217;t practising celibacy.</p>
<p>And your story about the 1950s and 60s doesn&#8217;t match with my Gran&#8217;s stories, and my parents&#8217; stories. My Gran lived in  a farm on the country and got a number of wayward daughters from various friends and relatives sent to her to wait out the 6 months until the baby was born and put up for adoption, and has plenty of stories about the reverse &#8211; women disappearing for 6 months. Or the mother of the girl who got in trouble pretended a pregnancy herself and the baby was raised as the younger sibling of their true mother.</p>
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		<title>By: BadaBing</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/05/marriage-isnt-a-priority-for-parents/#comment-46750</link>
		<dc:creator>BadaBing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 03:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Men need women to civilize them, but thanks to feminism, many of today&#039;s women have become more and more like men. That&#039;s how feminists believe women achieve equality, by becoming like men. So what you end up with are lots of young promiscuous women to satisfy the needs of lots of young promiscuous men. Yes, men tend to be promiscuous, and they don&#039;t attach emotions to &quot;getting laid.&quot; However, women cannot detach their emotions from the sex act, even if their lesbian women&#039;s studies professor says they can. Therefore, men get the milk without having to buy the cow, and stupid young women that put out get dumped, get angry and eventually end up hating men. So men don&#039;t need to get married to have sex, and women think all guys are creeps and become single moms. And the children are the ones that suffer most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Men need women to civilize them, but thanks to feminism, many of today&#8217;s women have become more and more like men. That&#8217;s how feminists believe women achieve equality, by becoming like men. So what you end up with are lots of young promiscuous women to satisfy the needs of lots of young promiscuous men. Yes, men tend to be promiscuous, and they don&#8217;t attach emotions to &#8220;getting laid.&#8221; However, women cannot detach their emotions from the sex act, even if their lesbian women&#8217;s studies professor says they can. Therefore, men get the milk without having to buy the cow, and stupid young women that put out get dumped, get angry and eventually end up hating men. So men don&#8217;t need to get married to have sex, and women think all guys are creeps and become single moms. And the children are the ones that suffer most.</p>
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		<title>By: momof4</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/05/marriage-isnt-a-priority-for-parents/#comment-46749</link>
		<dc:creator>momof4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 15:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea that the reproductive impulses can&#039;t be controlled is a pretty recent one; throughout history, many men were in situations where there weren&#039;t many women; large chunks of the settlement of this country, military or civil service abroad, voyages of exploration etc.

Also, women used to demand - and get - far more from guys than many of them do today. What is going on today is plain irresponsible, financially enabled (taxes) by the responsible. Turn off the support.

 Yes, back in the 50s and early 60s, some unmarried girls did get pregnant, but it was typically during an engagement or a serious long-term relationship. The intended outcome of the relationship was marriage, even if the date was put forward.  Even on college campuses in the late 60s, most guys were lucky to get a kiss at the end of a date.  Sex didn&#039;t come into the picture until a real relationship existed, usually including meeting parents etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that the reproductive impulses can&#8217;t be controlled is a pretty recent one; throughout history, many men were in situations where there weren&#8217;t many women; large chunks of the settlement of this country, military or civil service abroad, voyages of exploration etc.</p>
<p>Also, women used to demand &#8211; and get &#8211; far more from guys than many of them do today. What is going on today is plain irresponsible, financially enabled (taxes) by the responsible. Turn off the support.</p>
<p> Yes, back in the 50s and early 60s, some unmarried girls did get pregnant, but it was typically during an engagement or a serious long-term relationship. The intended outcome of the relationship was marriage, even if the date was put forward.  Even on college campuses in the late 60s, most guys were lucky to get a kiss at the end of a date.  Sex didn&#8217;t come into the picture until a real relationship existed, usually including meeting parents etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Vandal Savage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vandal Savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 15:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This goes back to the &quot;impulsiveness problem&quot; article mentioned a few posts later. It all ties together!

What scares me as a young guy are the number of young women who are willing to sabotage their birth control efforts (or the guys&#039;! pins stuck through condoms, etc.) in order to get pregnant because she wants a baby and to &#039;make him stay with her forever&#039;...

And as for the guys who can&#039;t control themselves, I&#039;m surprised that in this day and age, when you can order DVDs off the Internet to any, uh, &#039;specification&#039; you wish, that a lot of young guys wouldn&#039;t have an &#039;outlet&#039; for their tensions until they&#039;re ready to get serious with a woman...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This goes back to the &#8220;impulsiveness problem&#8221; article mentioned a few posts later. It all ties together!</p>
<p>What scares me as a young guy are the number of young women who are willing to sabotage their birth control efforts (or the guys&#8217;! pins stuck through condoms, etc.) in order to get pregnant because she wants a baby and to &#8216;make him stay with her forever&#8217;&#8230;</p>
<p>And as for the guys who can&#8217;t control themselves, I&#8217;m surprised that in this day and age, when you can order DVDs off the Internet to any, uh, &#8216;specification&#8217; you wish, that a lot of young guys wouldn&#8217;t have an &#8216;outlet&#8217; for their tensions until they&#8217;re ready to get serious with a woman&#8230;</p>
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