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	<title>Comments on: It pays to wait for the second marshmallow</title>
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		<title>By: Kelsey Parker</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/05/it-pays-to-wait-for-the-second-marshmallow/#comment-46786</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelsey Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 15:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angie Duckworth visited GreatSchools HQ a couple weeks ago to talk about her latest research studies with KIPP and Teach for America. You can read about it here: http://blogs.greatschools.net/greatschoolsblog/2009/05/sweets-or-success-what-marshmallows-teach-us.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angie Duckworth visited GreatSchools HQ a couple weeks ago to talk about her latest research studies with KIPP and Teach for America. You can read about it here: <a href="http://blogs.greatschools.net/greatschoolsblog/2009/05/sweets-or-success-what-marshmallows-teach-us.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.greatschools.net/greatschoolsblog/2009/05/sweets-or-success-what-marshmallows-teach-us.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Traci</title>
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		<dc:creator>Traci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 16:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Makes me think of a friend of mine from school with 9 brothers &amp; sisters. She always joked that in her home if you closed your eyes during grace before dinner when you opened them your share of meat &amp; potatoes would be missing or quite reduced.

I&#039;ve observed that in group activities my daughter (who is an only child at home)will often wait to get her share of snack, craft supplies etc.. when they are being passed out. Other kids rush to front &amp; grab. Often she can come up with the short end of the stick when it comes to getting her choice or share of something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Makes me think of a friend of mine from school with 9 brothers &amp; sisters. She always joked that in her home if you closed your eyes during grace before dinner when you opened them your share of meat &amp; potatoes would be missing or quite reduced.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve observed that in group activities my daughter (who is an only child at home)will often wait to get her share of snack, craft supplies etc.. when they are being passed out. Other kids rush to front &amp; grab. Often she can come up with the short end of the stick when it comes to getting her choice or share of something.</p>
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		<title>By: Physics Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Physics Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 15:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my I first arrived at this gig I was told by my boss that I need to mix things around every 15 minutes because kids these days have short attention spans and get bored easily.

Blame for the short attention spans, of course, was thrown on iPods and other devices.   The schools and their guiding philosopies, philosophies in which all these kids had been immersed for over a decade, were never listed among the suspects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my I first arrived at this gig I was told by my boss that I need to mix things around every 15 minutes because kids these days have short attention spans and get bored easily.</p>
<p>Blame for the short attention spans, of course, was thrown on iPods and other devices.   The schools and their guiding philosopies, philosophies in which all these kids had been immersed for over a decade, were never listed among the suspects.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 04:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>greifer, no dispute with what you&#039;re saying, but I wasn&#039;t really talking about college-age kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>greifer, no dispute with what you&#8217;re saying, but I wasn&#8217;t really talking about college-age kids.</p>
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		<title>By: greifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>greifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 04:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For many parents, they can&#039;t teach delayed gratification because they can&#039;t hold out against their kids. Who has the stamina to say no to a 3 yr old? How often nowadays do parents give in because they would rather have the happy child now than the tantruming toddler or sulky teen? If the parents or parent is also overtired, overworked, etc. their own executive function is diminished. Parenting done right delays gratification for a decade or more...

Bart,
Many high performing high schoolers get to college and find out that all of that delayed gratification was for naught, or the gratification is empty. They tend to turn to instant gratification with a vengeance, be it liquor or drugs, sex, etc. I don&#039;t agree that most young adults are purposely delaying gratification in college; more, their peer group has social mores that keep them from ditching class or punting assignments This is evidenced by large groups of college kids who do act in these ways--punting class, skipping assignments. You don&#039;t make it to a top 4 yr university with skills in delaying gratification, so you can assume most students have the ability to do it. But culturally, they need it reinforced for them to still behave this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For many parents, they can&#8217;t teach delayed gratification because they can&#8217;t hold out against their kids. Who has the stamina to say no to a 3 yr old? How often nowadays do parents give in because they would rather have the happy child now than the tantruming toddler or sulky teen? If the parents or parent is also overtired, overworked, etc. their own executive function is diminished. Parenting done right delays gratification for a decade or more&#8230;</p>
<p>Bart,<br />
Many high performing high schoolers get to college and find out that all of that delayed gratification was for naught, or the gratification is empty. They tend to turn to instant gratification with a vengeance, be it liquor or drugs, sex, etc. I don&#8217;t agree that most young adults are purposely delaying gratification in college; more, their peer group has social mores that keep them from ditching class or punting assignments This is evidenced by large groups of college kids who do act in these ways&#8211;punting class, skipping assignments. You don&#8217;t make it to a top 4 yr university with skills in delaying gratification, so you can assume most students have the ability to do it. But culturally, they need it reinforced for them to still behave this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 18:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[continued] ...or the gratification invariably turns out to be empty or purely symbolic?  Wouldn&#039;t this instead tend to undermine impulse control?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[continued] &#8230;or the gratification invariably turns out to be empty or purely symbolic?  Wouldn&#8217;t this instead tend to undermine impulse control?</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 18:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;I hesitate to bring this up… but the raw ability to delay gratification could be a species-level advancement.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

It already has been.  It&#039;s pretty well documented that one of the big psychological differences between chimps and humans is impulse control.  I just recently watched a documentary that showed something very similar to the marshmallow experiment, comparing adult chimps and young humans.

As for teaching impulse control, what happens when you consistently push children to defer gratification, but never supply the reward?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;I hesitate to bring this up… but the raw ability to delay gratification could be a species-level advancement.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>It already has been.  It&#8217;s pretty well documented that one of the big psychological differences between chimps and humans is impulse control.  I just recently watched a documentary that showed something very similar to the marshmallow experiment, comparing adult chimps and young humans.</p>
<p>As for teaching impulse control, what happens when you consistently push children to defer gratification, but never supply the reward?</p>
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		<title>By: Cal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 02:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That the entire article could never mention race or intellectual ability and still be taken seriously is flamboozling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That the entire article could never mention race or intellectual ability and still be taken seriously is flamboozling.</p>
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		<title>By: Engineer-Poet</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/05/it-pays-to-wait-for-the-second-marshmallow/#comment-46778</link>
		<dc:creator>Engineer-Poet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 01:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, missed a quote in the link.&#160; &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/20060522101405/http://www.seattleschools.org/area/equityandrace/definitionofrace.xml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here it is&lt;/a&gt;, properly this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, missed a quote in the link.&nbsp; <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20060522101405/http://www.seattleschools.org/area/equityandrace/definitionofrace.xml" rel="nofollow">Here it is</a>, properly this time.</p>
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		<title>By: Engineer-Poet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Engineer-Poet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 01:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quoth momof4:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;It’s a pity that schools have stopped stressing self-control, &lt;b&gt;planning for the future&lt;/b&gt;....&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Here&#039;s the old Seattle school document stating that &lt;a&gt;having a future time orientation is an example of cultural racism&lt;/a&gt;!&#160; (Note that the controversy over this definition has caused the page to be pulled, but it&#039;s still there at the Wayback Machine.)

That such nonsense was ever part of policy in a public school system is an outrage; that the people who wrote and accepted it are probably still on the payroll is an obscenity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quoth momof4:<br />
<blockquote><i>It’s a pity that schools have stopped stressing self-control, <b>planning for the future</b>&#8230;.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Here&#8217;s the old Seattle school document stating that <a>having a future time orientation is an example of cultural racism</a>!&nbsp; (Note that the controversy over this definition has caused the page to be pulled, but it&#8217;s still there at the Wayback Machine.)</p>
<p>That such nonsense was ever part of policy in a public school system is an outrage; that the people who wrote and accepted it are probably still on the payroll is an obscenity.</p>
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