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	<title>Comments on: How innovative are you, teacher?</title>
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		<title>By: Lightly Seasoned</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/05/how-innovative-are-you-teache/#comment-46864</link>
		<dc:creator>Lightly Seasoned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 17:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m less popular than the guy down the hall (expensively educated at all the very best schools -- think of the most highly selective schools out there, and you&#039;ve got it) who does a lot of drawing (in dual credit).

I do teach in a very fine public school under one of the best principals, I think, in our state and probably the country.  You are welcome to bring your kids on in; taxes are pretty steep, though.  California we ain&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m less popular than the guy down the hall (expensively educated at all the very best schools &#8212; think of the most highly selective schools out there, and you&#8217;ve got it) who does a lot of drawing (in dual credit).</p>
<p>I do teach in a very fine public school under one of the best principals, I think, in our state and probably the country.  You are welcome to bring your kids on in; taxes are pretty steep, though.  California we ain&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: patricia</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/05/how-innovative-are-you-teache/#comment-46863</link>
		<dc:creator>patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 18:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Margo/Mom- LS, I want to go to your school.  Heck, I want you to teach my kids!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Margo/Mom- LS, I want to go to your school.  Heck, I want you to teach my kids!</p>
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		<title>By: BeckyC</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/05/how-innovative-are-you-teache/#comment-46862</link>
		<dc:creator>BeckyC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 18:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To read the Continuum for Teacher Quality rubric is to feel Dave&#039;s fear in &lt;i&gt;2001: A Space Odyssey&lt;/i&gt;, when he realizes Hal really is trying to kill him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To read the Continuum for Teacher Quality rubric is to feel Dave&#8217;s fear in <i>2001: A Space Odyssey</i>, when he realizes Hal really is trying to kill him.</p>
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		<title>By: SuperSub</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/05/how-innovative-are-you-teache/#comment-46861</link>
		<dc:creator>SuperSub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 18:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chakotay-
The problem isn&#039;t with Bloom&#039;s Taxonomy itself, but the failure of schools to apply it correctly. There is a reason that it is often displayed as a pyramid... before you can work on the higher levels, you must build a solid foundation of knowledge and comprehension. Too many schools ignore the base and attempt to go straight to the top levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chakotay-<br />
The problem isn&#8217;t with Bloom&#8217;s Taxonomy itself, but the failure of schools to apply it correctly. There is a reason that it is often displayed as a pyramid&#8230; before you can work on the higher levels, you must build a solid foundation of knowledge and comprehension. Too many schools ignore the base and attempt to go straight to the top levels.</p>
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		<title>By: Margo/Mom</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/05/how-innovative-are-you-teache/#comment-46860</link>
		<dc:creator>Margo/Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 17:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LS--I want to go to your school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LS&#8211;I want to go to your school.</p>
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		<title>By: momof4</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/05/how-innovative-are-you-teache/#comment-46859</link>
		<dc:creator>momof4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 14:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lightly seasoned, I think we&#039;re on the same page. The devil is in the way creative writing is defined. Every time one of my kids was given a creative writing assignment, it was personal and they did feel that their privacy was being invaded.  I think it relates to the new post on this site about the far-too-common emphasis on ME, ME, ME.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lightly seasoned, I think we&#8217;re on the same page. The devil is in the way creative writing is defined. Every time one of my kids was given a creative writing assignment, it was personal and they did feel that their privacy was being invaded.  I think it relates to the new post on this site about the far-too-common emphasis on ME, ME, ME.</p>
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		<title>By: Lightly Seasoned</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/05/how-innovative-are-you-teache/#comment-46858</link>
		<dc:creator>Lightly Seasoned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 13:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Creative writing isn&#039;t a privacy violation.  Perhaps the personal essay, depending on what one wants to be personal about, but you have to master that for the dreaded college essay gamut anyway.

Example of a creative assignment I do:  we study satire, learn the techniques, identify the techniques in a Simpson&#039;s episode, identify the technqiues in Candide, students then write a short satire of their own critiquing something about our society.  Heck, I&#039;m teaching them how to write blog posts!  Not only is it Com Arts, it&#039;s flat out 21st century literacy.  They&#039;re also fun to mark, and I get some nice writing.  No privacy issues.

Socratic method is very hard to pull off.  It has taken me years of practice, and I use it only about once a unit.  My seniors have to be able to pull a piece of literature apart on their own by the time they take the test, and it&#039;s a good way to get them to practice that, under my supervision, without Sparknotes.  It&#039;s a great way to assess who has been reading closely.

When I do group work with my kids, I NEVER do mixed-work ethic grouping -- especially if I&#039;m going to take a grade.  And I never give the whole group the same grade (unless they all earned it).  If the slackers don&#039;t step up, they get the grade they deserve.  I will not waste the time of my high achievers having them do somebody else&#039;s group work -- these are always the busy kids in sports, clubs, church, etc. while the low achievers are invariably the ones involved in nothing constructive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Creative writing isn&#8217;t a privacy violation.  Perhaps the personal essay, depending on what one wants to be personal about, but you have to master that for the dreaded college essay gamut anyway.</p>
<p>Example of a creative assignment I do:  we study satire, learn the techniques, identify the techniques in a Simpson&#8217;s episode, identify the technqiues in Candide, students then write a short satire of their own critiquing something about our society.  Heck, I&#8217;m teaching them how to write blog posts!  Not only is it Com Arts, it&#8217;s flat out 21st century literacy.  They&#8217;re also fun to mark, and I get some nice writing.  No privacy issues.</p>
<p>Socratic method is very hard to pull off.  It has taken me years of practice, and I use it only about once a unit.  My seniors have to be able to pull a piece of literature apart on their own by the time they take the test, and it&#8217;s a good way to get them to practice that, under my supervision, without Sparknotes.  It&#8217;s a great way to assess who has been reading closely.</p>
<p>When I do group work with my kids, I NEVER do mixed-work ethic grouping &#8212; especially if I&#8217;m going to take a grade.  And I never give the whole group the same grade (unless they all earned it).  If the slackers don&#8217;t step up, they get the grade they deserve.  I will not waste the time of my high achievers having them do somebody else&#8217;s group work &#8212; these are always the busy kids in sports, clubs, church, etc. while the low achievers are invariably the ones involved in nothing constructive.</p>
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		<title>By: momof4</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/05/how-innovative-are-you-teache/#comment-46857</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 12:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leave the group work to doctoral or MBA seminars, where each individual is a professional with expertise and experience in the field.

I have seen third graders trying to discover multiplication in groups and it&#039;s beyond ugly, not to mention hopeless and a huge waste of time. It is  nothing less than educational malpractice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leave the group work to doctoral or MBA seminars, where each individual is a professional with expertise and experience in the field.</p>
<p>I have seen third graders trying to discover multiplication in groups and it&#8217;s beyond ugly, not to mention hopeless and a huge waste of time. It is  nothing less than educational malpractice.</p>
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		<title>By: patricia</title>
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		<dc:creator>patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 12:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Rhudy, as a former student (who is now simply interested in education, for my own sake and my kids&#039; sake), I can say that I NEVER learned to think critically because of any small group work.  As the &quot;smart kid,&quot; group work meant I did all the work and everyone else skated by on my effort.  EVERY time.  It was never a question of &quot;allowing&quot; me to work in groups; I would have preferred anything but.  Perhaps if group work were implemented better, it may be the case that it facilitates critical thinking, but I will say that is beyond most teachers, in my experience.

And the process of letting the kids teach themselves sounds awful.  I can teach myself almost anything, but it is significantly easier to learn something from someone who knows more than I and is willing to share that knowledge.  Again, perhaps if done effectively, it could work (I had some professors who were great at the Socratic method in law school), but I suspect that it is beyond many, maybe even most, teachers to be good at this (nearly all of my professors in law school taught using the Socratic method, and only a very few of them were any good at it- most were awful).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Rhudy, as a former student (who is now simply interested in education, for my own sake and my kids&#8217; sake), I can say that I NEVER learned to think critically because of any small group work.  As the &#8220;smart kid,&#8221; group work meant I did all the work and everyone else skated by on my effort.  EVERY time.  It was never a question of &#8220;allowing&#8221; me to work in groups; I would have preferred anything but.  Perhaps if group work were implemented better, it may be the case that it facilitates critical thinking, but I will say that is beyond most teachers, in my experience.</p>
<p>And the process of letting the kids teach themselves sounds awful.  I can teach myself almost anything, but it is significantly easier to learn something from someone who knows more than I and is willing to share that knowledge.  Again, perhaps if done effectively, it could work (I had some professors who were great at the Socratic method in law school), but I suspect that it is beyond many, maybe even most, teachers to be good at this (nearly all of my professors in law school taught using the Socratic method, and only a very few of them were any good at it- most were awful).</p>
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		<title>By: Chakotay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chakotay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 06:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every time I hear &quot;Bloom&#039;s Taxonomy&quot; or about Prochaska, I want to stab my ears out...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every time I hear &#8220;Bloom&#8217;s Taxonomy&#8221; or about Prochaska, I want to stab my ears out&#8230;</p>
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