Say what you like, Roshi, and others.
Ponderosa can laugh. He has the kids.

And we need to take them back. By force of arms. We need to say ENOUGH in a voice loud enough that others hear us. And this is only ONE front in the ongoing war against barbarism. We’ll need to break a few eggs, and see a few good eggs broken, because people (a) have already been indoctrinated, quite thoroughly (somewhat correctly) in the “War is hell” attitude; and (b) people are sheep, and want to get back to eating their grass and sleeping in the pasture. And we are running out of well-intentioned Wolves, as there is no purpose to protecting the flock when they’ll turn on you anyway…

(Idea from a gun story, where some of the flock found that they could arm themselves with the claws and teeth of wolves to defend the flock. Those who armed themselves were summarily executed by the Farmer when he found the dead wolves.)

“I am His Majesty’s dog at Queue;
Pray tell me, Sir, Whose dog are you?”

Along the borders of the Arab Muslim world, they’re attempting genocide of black Christians in North Africa; threatening Europe; they’ve attacked Russia, China, India; obviously, Israel; and attacked the U.S. Yep, they get along swell with everyone!

I think they’re the only culture/religion on the planet that’s managed to make everyone else angry with them at the same time.

Does anyone else think we’d have relative peace on Earth, be exploring the solar system in person, and have colonies on the Moon and Mars* right now if the rest of the planet didn’t have to deal with the Arab Muslims?

*Remember the Muslims’ burning of the Library of Alexandria? Historians think it took us several hundred years to re-learn some of the knowledge lost that day… So if that had never happened, our technology would be a few hundred years ahead of where it is now! Depressing, I know…

Family oriented? Sure if you mean that the patriarch of the family can kill his daughters or wives for being seen in public with any man other than her own family.

If you mean that women are pure subjects of the same men, and have no rights at all under Sharia law, unless other men will come forward and vouch for them.

Anti-sleaze? Because there are no prostitutes, drugs, crime, or violence in muslim culture. Entirely Peaceful!

Given the cult of death worship that is Sharia, I will take western civilization every time. Maybe western civilization does not conform to everyone’s ideal of utopia. At least I won’t get a wall pushed on me if I was a homosexual (just another of those virtues of sharia).

Western civ at the very least affords everyone the opportunity to pursue life in their own way. It surely is the worst form of civilization around, except for all the others.

The textbooks are probably being thoroughly vetted by CAIR.

“Sharia] sets rewards for good behavior and punishments for crimes.” The footnote probably says, “the reward is, we don’t kill you; the punishment is, we do.” And “crimes” are legion – just about anything they decide is a crime.

RetiredE9: “more books are translated into Spanish in a single year than have been translated into Arabic in the last thousand years.”

Well, Sarge, it’s like this: you only got one book, you don’t need no bookshelf. I wouldn’t be surprised if more books were translated into Swahili than into Arabic.

Now let’s move on the the number of books written in Arabic.

Ponderosa: “Arabs tolerated practice of other religions, unlike the European Crusaders …”

There was a brief time, in Spain, when Islam lived with Christianity. One of the best minds of the time, Maimonides, was a Jew, and physician to Saladin. But still, we note that “He is widely respected in Spain and a statue of him was erected in Córdoba by the only synagogue in that city which escaped destruction, …”

“Would Jesus talk about Muslims in the hateful way that some here do?” You’re putting up a smoke screen. And you’re playing with the word “hateful”. Show us one sentence (above) that shows hate towards either Muslims or Islam. I’ve read through it fairly carefully, and all I see are statements of fact, and opinions based on those statements of fact.

“To those who speak confidently as if Western Civilization is superior to all others, I hope you’re right. But…do you really KNOW for sure that it is? I mean, have you really STUDIED other civilizations?”

You may hope we’re right; we know we are. And that’s not just boastful arrogance. Western Civilization grew out of ancient Greece and Rome. I believe that the only suitable comparison would be China – but as a united country, they only go back to about 220 BC (Emperor Qin, of the Terra Cotta Warriors). Since then, China brought to the world the Great Revolution, killing several million people.

If you have an example of another civilization we might be compared with, I would certainly be happy to read it. (Let’s not consider those early advocates of open-heart surgery, the Aztecs.)

All told, the PC textbooks show a form of taqiyya. We have also heard many times of Imams preaching in English, a message of moderation and tolerance; then in the next hour, in Arabic, to their congregation, a message of violent jihad against “the infidel”.

You can learn a lot by checking out MEMRI. They show programs from Middle East TV, with translations in English.

What they do speaks so loudly we cannot hear what they’re saying.

How is a Muslim child realistically supposed to escape from this religion?

When you consider that the penalty for apostasy in Islam is death, and that this penalty is delivered by family for the “dishonor” of having an apostate in it?

Obviously, the only way to make the West safe for the ex-Muslims is for the Muslims to go back to the dar al Islam.  This has the welcome effect of making all the other non-Muslims a lot safer too.

To those who speak confidently as if Western Civilization is superior to all others, I hope you’re right. But…do you really KNOW for sure that it is?

We’re not comparing Western Civ to all others, we’re comparing it to Islam.

Western Civ isn’t going to kill me for being an atheist.  You can’t say that about anything Islamic.  So yes, in a very personal way, Western Civ is vastly superior to Islam.

BTW, I congratulate you on your expert playing of advocatus diaboli.  You gave yourself away when you admitted “Christianity is the more civilized of the two”, but almost nobody got it.