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		<title>By: Lightly Seasoned</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/03/the-revolution-is-not-a-picnic/#comment-44839</link>
		<dc:creator>Lightly Seasoned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy:  no, we teach the curriculum we&#039;re given, usually by the state as interpreted by the district.  The only curriculum I get to design myself is my advanced placement classes, and that has to be approved by the College Board.

It would be nice if we had the time built into our work day to design curriculum (I spent hundreds of hours designing my AP curriculums during the summer during my unpaid vacation).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy:  no, we teach the curriculum we&#8217;re given, usually by the state as interpreted by the district.  The only curriculum I get to design myself is my advanced placement classes, and that has to be approved by the College Board.</p>
<p>It would be nice if we had the time built into our work day to design curriculum (I spent hundreds of hours designing my AP curriculums during the summer during my unpaid vacation).</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/03/the-revolution-is-not-a-picnic/#comment-44838</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 02:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that the right wing folks don&#039;t think that teachers work hard, but that the teachers think they work harder than private industry and are underpaid.  The teachers are wrong on both counts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that the right wing folks don&#8217;t think that teachers work hard, but that the teachers think they work harder than private industry and are underpaid.  The teachers are wrong on both counts.</p>
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		<title>By: Ponderosa</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/03/the-revolution-is-not-a-picnic/#comment-44837</link>
		<dc:creator>Ponderosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy,

Teachers are trained by muddle-headed professors of education and then further led astray by slick for-profit consultants and sales people.  As most professionals do, they listen to the &quot;authorities&quot; in their field as well as consultants, but, unfortunately, most of the authorities are captivated by bankrupt ideas.  Sadly, these authorities are gate-keepers that shut out ideas like E.D. Hirsch&#039;s.  As I share my independent research about Core Knowledge ideas with my colleagues, they are quite receptive; it rings true to them.  Once someone with a big megaphone starts blaring these alternative ideas across the country, I think many teachers will flock to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy,</p>
<p>Teachers are trained by muddle-headed professors of education and then further led astray by slick for-profit consultants and sales people.  As most professionals do, they listen to the &#8220;authorities&#8221; in their field as well as consultants, but, unfortunately, most of the authorities are captivated by bankrupt ideas.  Sadly, these authorities are gate-keepers that shut out ideas like E.D. Hirsch&#8217;s.  As I share my independent research about Core Knowledge ideas with my colleagues, they are quite receptive; it rings true to them.  Once someone with a big megaphone starts blaring these alternative ideas across the country, I think many teachers will flock to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Freeman</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/03/the-revolution-is-not-a-picnic/#comment-44836</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; FYI: most of these unionized teachers are already working their butts off, contrary to the right-wing caricature.

We&#039;re not paying for &quot;work&quot; - we&#039;re paying for results.

&gt; Give them new ideas and a solid curriculum and they’ll work wonders.

Umm, aren&#039;t they supposed to come with good ideas?

Since unionized teachers have a significant impact on cirriculum, asking us to fix it is somewhat ironic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; FYI: most of these unionized teachers are already working their butts off, contrary to the right-wing caricature.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not paying for &#8220;work&#8221; &#8211; we&#8217;re paying for results.</p>
<p>&gt; Give them new ideas and a solid curriculum and they’ll work wonders.</p>
<p>Umm, aren&#8217;t they supposed to come with good ideas?</p>
<p>Since unionized teachers have a significant impact on cirriculum, asking us to fix it is somewhat ironic.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Aubrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Aubrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That voucher program was doing well and gained the support of the folks who were benefiting, or who wanted to benefit.
Made the public schools look bad by comparison.
Can&#039;t have that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That voucher program was doing well and gained the support of the folks who were benefiting, or who wanted to benefit.<br />
Made the public schools look bad by comparison.<br />
Can&#8217;t have that.</p>
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		<title>By: allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, what Obama does — or fails to do — for the D.C. voucher students will show whether he’s a purely political animal, with nary a lick of principle. 

Of course I&#039;m just being silly. All one need do is consult with anyone of the rabid anti-war left to get all the evidence necessary to support the conclusion that President Obama hasn&#039;t a lick of principle in him. While the anti-war left is a detestable, self-involved group of people they are also familiar with the casual way in which Obama treats his supporters when abandoning them is expedient and safe. 

With the NEA one side of the issue and the poor kids and poor parents of Washington D.C. on the other, it&#039;s hard to see what reason, from a political perspective, President Obama would have to side with the latter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, what Obama does — or fails to do — for the D.C. voucher students will show whether he’s a purely political animal, with nary a lick of principle. </p>
<p>Of course I&#8217;m just being silly. All one need do is consult with anyone of the rabid anti-war left to get all the evidence necessary to support the conclusion that President Obama hasn&#8217;t a lick of principle in him. While the anti-war left is a detestable, self-involved group of people they are also familiar with the casual way in which Obama treats his supporters when abandoning them is expedient and safe. </p>
<p>With the NEA one side of the issue and the poor kids and poor parents of Washington D.C. on the other, it&#8217;s hard to see what reason, from a political perspective, President Obama would have to side with the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: MTheads</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/03/the-revolution-is-not-a-picnic/#comment-44833</link>
		<dc:creator>MTheads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>School choice isn&#039;t necessarily about improving education directly, it&#039;s also about stirring up the ingrained inertia and the monopolistic death grip the system is in now.  

And it&#039;s not just about improving the ed system for children.  Good teachers with solid ideas would most likely thrive under a system of true school choice.  Don&#039;t like NCLB?  Neither do plenty of other parents.  Like the idea of high stake tests?  So do plenty of other parents.  

Instead of offering a variety of approaches to educating our children, our schools are forced to compromise or to conform or to passively resist the strongest, and ever changing, educational impulses of our society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>School choice isn&#8217;t necessarily about improving education directly, it&#8217;s also about stirring up the ingrained inertia and the monopolistic death grip the system is in now.  </p>
<p>And it&#8217;s not just about improving the ed system for children.  Good teachers with solid ideas would most likely thrive under a system of true school choice.  Don&#8217;t like NCLB?  Neither do plenty of other parents.  Like the idea of high stake tests?  So do plenty of other parents.  </p>
<p>Instead of offering a variety of approaches to educating our children, our schools are forced to compromise or to conform or to passively resist the strongest, and ever changing, educational impulses of our society.</p>
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		<title>By: Ponderosa</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/03/the-revolution-is-not-a-picnic/#comment-44832</link>
		<dc:creator>Ponderosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do successful public education systems in Europe and Asia employ voucher systems?  Do they have teacher unions?

The fundamental problem with American schools is bad ideas, not unions or lack of vouchers.  Change those ideas and unionized teachers can do wonders (FYI: most of these unionized teachers are already working their butts off, contrary to the right-wing caricature.  Give them new ideas and a solid curriculum and they&#039;ll work wonders.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do successful public education systems in Europe and Asia employ voucher systems?  Do they have teacher unions?</p>
<p>The fundamental problem with American schools is bad ideas, not unions or lack of vouchers.  Change those ideas and unionized teachers can do wonders (FYI: most of these unionized teachers are already working their butts off, contrary to the right-wing caricature.  Give them new ideas and a solid curriculum and they&#8217;ll work wonders.)</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Nieporent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Nieporent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I listened to the education secretary Arne Duncan being interviewed the other day by Wolf Blitzer. If you are expecting change in the education system, don’t get your hope up. The Obama administration, like all Democrats, is in the pocket of the teachers unions. Wolf asked him some relatively innocuous questions about allowing children in failing schools to get vouchers.  His response was no. Basically his position is that the administration is going to do whatever the teachers unions tell it to do. Plus ça change, plus c&#039;est la même chose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened to the education secretary Arne Duncan being interviewed the other day by Wolf Blitzer. If you are expecting change in the education system, don’t get your hope up. The Obama administration, like all Democrats, is in the pocket of the teachers unions. Wolf asked him some relatively innocuous questions about allowing children in failing schools to get vouchers.  His response was no. Basically his position is that the administration is going to do whatever the teachers unions tell it to do. Plus ça change, plus c&#8217;est la même chose.</p>
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		<title>By: michael mazenko</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael mazenko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 04:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I generally enjoy and agree with most of what Brooks writes, his view of teachers and merit pay is another example of people outside education thinking they have insight into why teachers are or are not effective.  &quot;Emotional bonds&quot; is a rather obscure and immeasurable component of effective teaching.  Ponderosa makes some valid points about what contributes to a lack of learning.  They are far more complex - many of them socioeconomic - reasons for students and a disconnect from learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I generally enjoy and agree with most of what Brooks writes, his view of teachers and merit pay is another example of people outside education thinking they have insight into why teachers are or are not effective.  &#8220;Emotional bonds&#8221; is a rather obscure and immeasurable component of effective teaching.  Ponderosa makes some valid points about what contributes to a lack of learning.  They are far more complex &#8211; many of them socioeconomic &#8211; reasons for students and a disconnect from learning.</p>
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