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	<title>Comments on: Tragedy: NYC loses Catholic schools</title>
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		<title>By: Lightly Seasoned</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/02/tragedy-nyc-loses-catholic-schools/#comment-44045</link>
		<dc:creator>Lightly Seasoned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, no.  The Catholic schools around here are more like around $10K/year, which is still less expensive than other privates.  We also have few/weak charters and magnets.  You can&#039;t even get half-day Kindergarten for $2500.  Heavens.

I&#039;m not sure public schools are explicitly anti-Catholic.  I remember students being bused from my elementary/middle schools to CCD classes after school back in the 70&#039;s.

I understand the appeal of Catholic schooling to Catholics, but you don&#039;t have to be Catholic to enroll.  I&#039;ll bet most of those Rice students aren&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, no.  The Catholic schools around here are more like around $10K/year, which is still less expensive than other privates.  We also have few/weak charters and magnets.  You can&#8217;t even get half-day Kindergarten for $2500.  Heavens.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure public schools are explicitly anti-Catholic.  I remember students being bused from my elementary/middle schools to CCD classes after school back in the 70&#8242;s.</p>
<p>I understand the appeal of Catholic schooling to Catholics, but you don&#8217;t have to be Catholic to enroll.  I&#8217;ll bet most of those Rice students aren&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Define &quot;public school monopoly&quot; and also tell me how all those other schools exist when such a monopoly exists, too.  I want to know where this &quot;historical fact&quot; comes from, since it&#039;s all new to me.  I thought public schools were a way to educate everyone, make better factory workers, instill secular humanism, enforce conformity in our values, and dumb down our nation, but I guess it was all about getting the Catholics to renounce the Pope.  Silly me, I must have let my subscription lapse for my copies of whatever quack newsletter from which you get your reality.  All along, I thought those poor immigrants wanted to keep their children away from those horrible Blacks and Hispanics and their desire to rape young white women.

It&#039;s so hard to keep the conspiracies straight anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Define &#8220;public school monopoly&#8221; and also tell me how all those other schools exist when such a monopoly exists, too.  I want to know where this &#8220;historical fact&#8221; comes from, since it&#8217;s all new to me.  I thought public schools were a way to educate everyone, make better factory workers, instill secular humanism, enforce conformity in our values, and dumb down our nation, but I guess it was all about getting the Catholics to renounce the Pope.  Silly me, I must have let my subscription lapse for my copies of whatever quack newsletter from which you get your reality.  All along, I thought those poor immigrants wanted to keep their children away from those horrible Blacks and Hispanics and their desire to rape young white women.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so hard to keep the conspiracies straight anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles R. Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles R. Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catholic schools are closing because of the costs. The decline in religious vocations is a good part of the reason costs have risen. A parish with a school may charge $2500 tuition but the school is a huge financial burden. And for many parents the $2500 isw unaffordable. If the parish is a new, suburban parish there may not have been money to build a school. In the inner city the issue is almost always that parishioners with the resources to support the school have relocated. 

No public school in the US can operate on $2500 per year per student. 

The public school monopoly is rooted in anti-Catholic bigotry. This is a historical fact. Poor immigrants made the sacrifices necessary to build and staff schools to protect their children from public schools that had an explicit mission to educate their children out of their faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catholic schools are closing because of the costs. The decline in religious vocations is a good part of the reason costs have risen. A parish with a school may charge $2500 tuition but the school is a huge financial burden. And for many parents the $2500 isw unaffordable. If the parish is a new, suburban parish there may not have been money to build a school. In the inner city the issue is almost always that parishioners with the resources to support the school have relocated. </p>
<p>No public school in the US can operate on $2500 per year per student. </p>
<p>The public school monopoly is rooted in anti-Catholic bigotry. This is a historical fact. Poor immigrants made the sacrifices necessary to build and staff schools to protect their children from public schools that had an explicit mission to educate their children out of their faith.</p>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Private schools are having a very hard time where competition from charters and magnet schools is feverish.  Parents are very willing to make the public school compromises for an almost-Waldorf or almost-Montessori or almost-whatever school curriculum, especially when it comes with the public school monthly cost.  And the parents are also willing to let their children attend a few years of private school and then save up for college, though it&#039;s hard to judge investments in education now with investments in cash for the future in a world where hardly anyone saves anyhow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Private schools are having a very hard time where competition from charters and magnet schools is feverish.  Parents are very willing to make the public school compromises for an almost-Waldorf or almost-Montessori or almost-whatever school curriculum, especially when it comes with the public school monthly cost.  And the parents are also willing to let their children attend a few years of private school and then save up for college, though it&#8217;s hard to judge investments in education now with investments in cash for the future in a world where hardly anyone saves anyhow.</p>
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		<title>By: Ohio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ohio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr./Ms. Seasoned, the reasons for school closing seem to be mainly the demographic shift of Catholics away from the mid-Atlantic and Rust belt and the rising tuition cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr./Ms. Seasoned, the reasons for school closing seem to be mainly the demographic shift of Catholics away from the mid-Atlantic and Rust belt and the rising tuition cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Lightly Seasoned</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Catholic schools are closing up around me, too.

If they are doing such a good job (and I think they are very good for some students), and their tuition is certainly reasonable compared to other private schools, and parents are eager for choice, then ... 

Why are they closing?  What are the various Dioceses doing wrong?

(My former Catholic school students are usually the kids who flunked out or were kicked out, and are thus train wrecks come to a stop on my doorstep.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Catholic schools are closing up around me, too.</p>
<p>If they are doing such a good job (and I think they are very good for some students), and their tuition is certainly reasonable compared to other private schools, and parents are eager for choice, then &#8230; </p>
<p>Why are they closing?  What are the various Dioceses doing wrong?</p>
<p>(My former Catholic school students are usually the kids who flunked out or were kicked out, and are thus train wrecks come to a stop on my doorstep.)</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Aubrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Aubrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This means less competition, less showing-up, of the public skools. That means it&#039;s all good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This means less competition, less showing-up, of the public skools. That means it&#8217;s all good.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 00:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been saying for years, it&#039;s not innate intelligence that makes the difference, it&#039;s the culture.  I can usually spot a Catholic-educated student in my class - their approach to education is different.  They are serious students, and they have habits that propel them along to graduation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been saying for years, it&#8217;s not innate intelligence that makes the difference, it&#8217;s the culture.  I can usually spot a Catholic-educated student in my class &#8211; their approach to education is different.  They are serious students, and they have habits that propel them along to graduation.</p>
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