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		<title>By: Andy Freeman</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/01/the-paternalism-of-rescue/comment-page-1/#comment-88837</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; “There’s no shortage of mothers wanting to be human shields in other cases, so why is that question relevant here?”

&gt; I am confused. I have seen no evidence of people clamoring to be human shields to protect women’s rights in Afghanistan or Pakistan.

That&#039;s the point.  There&#039;s no shortage of women willing to be human shields in other cases.  Yet, when it comes to actually protecting women from real abuse, human shields are no where to be found.

Instead, we have &quot;women&#039;s rights&quot; organizations arguing that it&#039;s wrong for outsiders to interfere, citing reasons that they reject in other circumstances.

Why do &quot;women&#039;s rights&quot; organizations treat those women&#039;s rights differently?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; “There’s no shortage of mothers wanting to be human shields in other cases, so why is that question relevant here?”</p>
<p>&gt; I am confused. I have seen no evidence of people clamoring to be human shields to protect women’s rights in Afghanistan or Pakistan.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the point.  There&#8217;s no shortage of women willing to be human shields in other cases.  Yet, when it comes to actually protecting women from real abuse, human shields are no where to be found.</p>
<p>Instead, we have &#8220;women&#8217;s rights&#8221; organizations arguing that it&#8217;s wrong for outsiders to interfere, citing reasons that they reject in other circumstances.</p>
<p>Why do &#8220;women&#8217;s rights&#8221; organizations treat those women&#8217;s rights differently?</p>
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		<title>By: gbl3rd</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/01/the-paternalism-of-rescue/comment-page-1/#comment-88629</link>
		<dc:creator>gbl3rd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy Freeman 

“There’s no shortage of mothers wanting to be human shields in other cases, so why is that question relevant here?”

I am confused.  I have seen no evidence of people clamoring to be human shields to protect women&#039;s rights in Afghanistan or Pakistan.  … maybe in other countries?

These are unpleasant places for a westerner to live.  There is a good reason it has been referred to as the diarrhea zone. There are lots of unpleasant diseases and parasites that come with living in these lands. These western women would also be attractive targets for bandits, the Taliban and Al Qaeda even if they were not defending women&#039;s rights.

I agree with you about the barbaric &quot;family decisions&quot;. But it appeared to me that only by being a guest in these lands could they gain some local sympathy, avoid being assaulted for being outsiders and possibly avoid being martyred.

Guns are very common in Afghanistan and Pakistan.  They are used to defend the local version of family honor, but not ours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy Freeman </p>
<p>“There’s no shortage of mothers wanting to be human shields in other cases, so why is that question relevant here?”</p>
<p>I am confused.  I have seen no evidence of people clamoring to be human shields to protect women&#8217;s rights in Afghanistan or Pakistan.  … maybe in other countries?</p>
<p>These are unpleasant places for a westerner to live.  There is a good reason it has been referred to as the diarrhea zone. There are lots of unpleasant diseases and parasites that come with living in these lands. These western women would also be attractive targets for bandits, the Taliban and Al Qaeda even if they were not defending women&#8217;s rights.</p>
<p>I agree with you about the barbaric &#8220;family decisions&#8221;. But it appeared to me that only by being a guest in these lands could they gain some local sympathy, avoid being assaulted for being outsiders and possibly avoid being martyred.</p>
<p>Guns are very common in Afghanistan and Pakistan.  They are used to defend the local version of family honor, but not ours.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Brandshaft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Brandshaft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 05:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I understand Mr. Ellis&#039;s argument, the analogous domestic policy would be to pull the police out of high crime areas and give the residents guns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I understand Mr. Ellis&#8217;s argument, the analogous domestic policy would be to pull the police out of high crime areas and give the residents guns.</p>
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		<title>By: allen</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/01/the-paternalism-of-rescue/comment-page-1/#comment-88598</link>
		<dc:creator>allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; I think that the complaint has more to do with the disingenuous nature of the claim.

And I think radical feminists have been stung by accusations that they&#039;re missing in action when it comes to the sorts of horrors radical Islam visits on women. 

This is just one of what&#039;s probably any number of rationalizations to explain that absence. A Darwinian process of selection will determine which rationalization best defends the indifference of radical feminists to the plight of women in radical Islamic nations and that&#039;s what lefties will go with.

Better a shabby, threadbare excuse then the admission that the vast bulk of radical feminists prefer to put their courage on display where it isn&#039;t likely to be needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; I think that the complaint has more to do with the disingenuous nature of the claim.</p>
<p>And I think radical feminists have been stung by accusations that they&#8217;re missing in action when it comes to the sorts of horrors radical Islam visits on women. </p>
<p>This is just one of what&#8217;s probably any number of rationalizations to explain that absence. A Darwinian process of selection will determine which rationalization best defends the indifference of radical feminists to the plight of women in radical Islamic nations and that&#8217;s what lefties will go with.</p>
<p>Better a shabby, threadbare excuse then the admission that the vast bulk of radical feminists prefer to put their courage on display where it isn&#8217;t likely to be needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Freeman</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/01/the-paternalism-of-rescue/comment-page-1/#comment-88590</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Do you think a mother’s march of infidel foreigners would deter these men?

There&#039;s no shortage of mothers wanting to be human shields in other cases, so why is that question relevant here?

&gt; Interfering with a family decision would not be the behavior of a guest.

Female genital mutilation is a family decision.  As is bride-burning.

I note, that this respect for &quot;family decision&quot; doesn&#039;t extend to the US, at least not with respect to abortion.

Is it the skin color, the distance, or the &quot;active&quot; opposition that is actually the relevant difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Do you think a mother’s march of infidel foreigners would deter these men?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no shortage of mothers wanting to be human shields in other cases, so why is that question relevant here?</p>
<p>&gt; Interfering with a family decision would not be the behavior of a guest.</p>
<p>Female genital mutilation is a family decision.  As is bride-burning.</p>
<p>I note, that this respect for &#8220;family decision&#8221; doesn&#8217;t extend to the US, at least not with respect to abortion.</p>
<p>Is it the skin color, the distance, or the &#8220;active&#8221; opposition that is actually the relevant difference.</p>
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		<title>By: gbl3rd</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/01/the-paternalism-of-rescue/comment-page-1/#comment-88584</link>
		<dc:creator>gbl3rd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep in mind these men believe they are carrying out God&#039;s will and dieing for their cause is a blessed act.

Defensive clothing and armaments are not a defense or even intimidating unless you can demonstrate the abilty to use them effectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep in mind these men believe they are carrying out God&#8217;s will and dieing for their cause is a blessed act.</p>
<p>Defensive clothing and armaments are not a defense or even intimidating unless you can demonstrate the abilty to use them effectively.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Do you think a mother’s march of infidel foreigners would deter these men?&quot;
It might, depending on the level of armaments and defensive clothing the mothers had. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do you think a mother’s march of infidel foreigners would deter these men?&#8221;<br />
It might, depending on the level of armaments and defensive clothing the mothers had. <img src='http://www.joannejacobs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: gbl3rd</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/01/the-paternalism-of-rescue/comment-page-1/#comment-88577</link>
		<dc:creator>gbl3rd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Margo/Mom

There is no practical right to education in Afghanistan for anyone. I do not think universal public education exists in Pakistan either.  

Do you think a mother&#039;s march of infidel foreigners would deter these men?  My limited understanding of the local culture allows the men to kill and steal from those outside of their family and tribe.  The only restrictions come from the customs of hospitality, your own ability to protect yourself, the possibility of retaliation or disobeying a tribal or family elder.  Interfering with a family decision would not be the behavior of a guest.

Maybe it would be better to send Muslim Clerics to preach women&#039;s rights.  I do not know how they would be received.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Margo/Mom</p>
<p>There is no practical right to education in Afghanistan for anyone. I do not think universal public education exists in Pakistan either.  </p>
<p>Do you think a mother&#8217;s march of infidel foreigners would deter these men?  My limited understanding of the local culture allows the men to kill and steal from those outside of their family and tribe.  The only restrictions come from the customs of hospitality, your own ability to protect yourself, the possibility of retaliation or disobeying a tribal or family elder.  Interfering with a family decision would not be the behavior of a guest.</p>
<p>Maybe it would be better to send Muslim Clerics to preach women&#8217;s rights.  I do not know how they would be received.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so glad you pointed this out, especially the &quot;fight=not fight&quot; part.

And I&#039;ve always relished General Napier&#039;s commentary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad you pointed this out, especially the &#8220;fight=not fight&#8221; part.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ve always relished General Napier&#8217;s commentary.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catherine, said, &quot;You’ve hit on one of my major reasons for despising US feminism today–they generally ignore the truly egregious abuses women suffer in other countries while whining about the invisible sexism still inherent in, well, practically everything they don’t like.&quot;


Well said, Catherine. In general, feminists don&#039;t care about women. They care about power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catherine, said, &#8220;You’ve hit on one of my major reasons for despising US feminism today–they generally ignore the truly egregious abuses women suffer in other countries while whining about the invisible sexism still inherent in, well, practically everything they don’t like.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well said, Catherine. In general, feminists don&#8217;t care about women. They care about power.</p>
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