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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Obama Effect&#8217; raises blacks&#8217; test scores</title>
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		<title>By: TeacherJay</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/01/obama-effect-raises-blacks-test-scores/#comment-43403</link>
		<dc:creator>TeacherJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn’t it a stretch to conclude that there is an actual effect on test-takers over such a short period of time, in such a basic assessment, with such a small sample size? Since they were all adults, I don’t see how this could be perceived to have an effect on school-children. I recently posted on the effect of the Obama Effect and it may cause more harm than good at http://edublog.teacherjay.net/2009/01/30/the-obama-effect/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn’t it a stretch to conclude that there is an actual effect on test-takers over such a short period of time, in such a basic assessment, with such a small sample size? Since they were all adults, I don’t see how this could be perceived to have an effect on school-children. I recently posted on the effect of the Obama Effect and it may cause more harm than good at <a href="http://edublog.teacherjay.net/2009/01/30/the-obama-effect/" rel="nofollow">http://edublog.teacherjay.net/2009/01/30/the-obama-effect/</a></p>
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		<title>By: TeacherJay&#8217;s EduBlog &#187; The Obama Effect</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeacherJay&#8217;s EduBlog &#187; The Obama Effect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bd</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/01/obama-effect-raises-blacks-test-scores/#comment-43401</link>
		<dc:creator>bd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 05:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The stereotype threat experiments are all done in very artificial environment and then try to project to the real world. There is no real world data to support it.

The &#039;Obama effect&#039; provides a great chance to prove or disproove the stereotype threat theory. The last four SAT test dates were 10/4/08, 11/1/08, 12/6/08, 1/24/09. The last one is 4 days after the inauguration, peak of Obama mania. In future months we are going to get the statistics of the SAT data. This is real world data, not some artificial small data set.

Does anyone really thinks that the achievement gap would disappear or at least reduced in the Jan result?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The stereotype threat experiments are all done in very artificial environment and then try to project to the real world. There is no real world data to support it.</p>
<p>The &#8216;Obama effect&#8217; provides a great chance to prove or disproove the stereotype threat theory. The last four SAT test dates were 10/4/08, 11/1/08, 12/6/08, 1/24/09. The last one is 4 days after the inauguration, peak of Obama mania. In future months we are going to get the statistics of the SAT data. This is real world data, not some artificial small data set.</p>
<p>Does anyone really thinks that the achievement gap would disappear or at least reduced in the Jan result?</p>
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		<title>By: Lightly Seasoned</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/01/obama-effect-raises-blacks-test-scores/#comment-43400</link>
		<dc:creator>Lightly Seasoned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I have observed some increased engagement among some black students, I&#039;m wondering how it will affect the engagement of their teachers; in other words, change the &quot;soft bigotry of low expectations.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I have observed some increased engagement among some black students, I&#8217;m wondering how it will affect the engagement of their teachers; in other words, change the &#8220;soft bigotry of low expectations.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BadaBing</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/01/obama-effect-raises-blacks-test-scores/#comment-43399</link>
		<dc:creator>BadaBing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The elections of Jimmy Carter and William Jefferson Clinton clashed with the stereotype images of white Southern racists, whites as crackers and hillbillies and that of white trailer trash. You don&#039;t think minorities harbor negative stereotypes of whites? Think again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The elections of Jimmy Carter and William Jefferson Clinton clashed with the stereotype images of white Southern racists, whites as crackers and hillbillies and that of white trailer trash. You don&#8217;t think minorities harbor negative stereotypes of whites? Think again.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebeccat</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/01/obama-effect-raises-blacks-test-scores/#comment-43398</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebeccat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>badabing and tallbill,
care to share which longstanding negative stereotypes the election of a white president helps to combat?  Why not stop being smart-alecky jerks and try for a nanosecond to put yourself in someone else&#039;s shoes?  A little more compassion goes a lot further than more reductionist nonsense.  IJS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>badabing and tallbill,<br />
care to share which longstanding negative stereotypes the election of a white president helps to combat?  Why not stop being smart-alecky jerks and try for a nanosecond to put yourself in someone else&#8217;s shoes?  A little more compassion goes a lot further than more reductionist nonsense.  IJS.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Friedman</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/01/obama-effect-raises-blacks-test-scores/#comment-43397</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Friedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cardinal,

The issue of academic comparability...In past studies, they were able to control for student SAT.  We did not have that data, but did have education level, and controlled for that (the means we report are adjusted means, controling for education).  That said, this population is probably more balanced on education than the world in general (all participants were saavy enough to be part of an on-line subject pool).  That is similar to prior studies, where students were from the same school (e.g., Stanford).  These studies (to my knowledge) have not been done with kids who were really not involved in school.  Indeed, the effect assumes that the subjects care enough about their performance on the test to be anxious about the results. So, there is comparability, but when we (and prior studies) show equal scores, that does not imply that we would expect equal scores in the general population.  We believe the &quot;Obama effect&quot; helps blacks who are engaged and relatively well educated to overcome stereotype threat, but do not expect that the &quot;Obama effect&quot; will eliminate the national black-white difference in test scores.  (Some people believe that is what we were claiming, which is understandable if they see a 2-minute CNN report.)    

This summary is correct, except that our sample was adults, not students:  
&quot;In two of the tests, the black students did, as predicted, have lower scores than their academic abilities would predict. But just after the Democratic Convention that nominated Obama, and again just after the election, the black students reminded of their race didn’t get lower scores than academically comparable white students.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cardinal,</p>
<p>The issue of academic comparability&#8230;In past studies, they were able to control for student SAT.  We did not have that data, but did have education level, and controlled for that (the means we report are adjusted means, controling for education).  That said, this population is probably more balanced on education than the world in general (all participants were saavy enough to be part of an on-line subject pool).  That is similar to prior studies, where students were from the same school (e.g., Stanford).  These studies (to my knowledge) have not been done with kids who were really not involved in school.  Indeed, the effect assumes that the subjects care enough about their performance on the test to be anxious about the results. So, there is comparability, but when we (and prior studies) show equal scores, that does not imply that we would expect equal scores in the general population.  We believe the &#8220;Obama effect&#8221; helps blacks who are engaged and relatively well educated to overcome stereotype threat, but do not expect that the &#8220;Obama effect&#8221; will eliminate the national black-white difference in test scores.  (Some people believe that is what we were claiming, which is understandable if they see a 2-minute CNN report.)    </p>
<p>This summary is correct, except that our sample was adults, not students:<br />
&#8220;In two of the tests, the black students did, as predicted, have lower scores than their academic abilities would predict. But just after the Democratic Convention that nominated Obama, and again just after the election, the black students reminded of their race didn’t get lower scores than academically comparable white students.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Margo/Mom</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/01/obama-effect-raises-blacks-test-scores/#comment-43396</link>
		<dc:creator>Margo/Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rex--you should look into some of Ronald Ferguson&#039;s research. He doesn&#039;t find that the issue of &quot;lack of cool&quot; either exists to any great degree, or has the assumed impact. There are other factors with regard to student-teacher communication, the results of time put into study out of class, perhaps teacher expectations and how they align with student/parent expectations (I may be misremembering this last one).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rex&#8211;you should look into some of Ronald Ferguson&#8217;s research. He doesn&#8217;t find that the issue of &#8220;lack of cool&#8221; either exists to any great degree, or has the assumed impact. There are other factors with regard to student-teacher communication, the results of time put into study out of class, perhaps teacher expectations and how they align with student/parent expectations (I may be misremembering this last one).</p>
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		<title>By: tallbill</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/01/obama-effect-raises-blacks-test-scores/#comment-43395</link>
		<dc:creator>tallbill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t remember my test scores improving whenever a Caucasion President was elected in the past.
Maybe I&#039;m just a slow learner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t remember my test scores improving whenever a Caucasion President was elected in the past.<br />
Maybe I&#8217;m just a slow learner.</p>
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		<title>By: Cardinal Fang</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2009/01/obama-effect-raises-blacks-test-scores/#comment-43394</link>
		<dc:creator>Cardinal Fang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 06:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, thanks for visiting, Professor Friedman. So, to recap:

In all four testing situations, the students were reminded of their race before being given the test. In previous research, this has been shown to induce &quot;stereotype threat,&quot; where black students underperform compared to &lt;b&gt;academically comparable&lt;/b&gt; white students. In two of the tests, the black students did, as predicted, have lower scores than their academic abilities would predict. But just after the Democratic Convention that nominated Obama, and again just after the election, the black students reminded of their race &lt;b&gt;didn&#039;t&lt;/b&gt; get lower scores than academically comparable white students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thanks for visiting, Professor Friedman. So, to recap:</p>
<p>In all four testing situations, the students were reminded of their race before being given the test. In previous research, this has been shown to induce &#8220;stereotype threat,&#8221; where black students underperform compared to <b>academically comparable</b> white students. In two of the tests, the black students did, as predicted, have lower scores than their academic abilities would predict. But just after the Democratic Convention that nominated Obama, and again just after the election, the black students reminded of their race <b>didn&#8217;t</b> get lower scores than academically comparable white students.</p>
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