Comments on: California’s top schools for poor kids are charters http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/11/californias-top-schools-for-poor-kids-are-charters/ Free-linking and thinking on education by Joanne Jacobs Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:18:44 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: allen http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/11/californias-top-schools-for-poor-kids-are-charters/comment-page-1/#comment-85365 allen Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:39:43 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/?p=6286#comment-85365 As I've posted before, the "cherry-picking" charge doesn't pass the smell test. It would require that the parents of kids who are doing well in the district schools - those unfortunately named "cherries" - are being pulled out of the schools in which they are doing well to be put in, usually newer, usually less-well provisioned schools that are less convenient. That doesn't make a lick of sense and, in fact, it's the opposite, kids who are having problems, who are more likely to show up at a charter. But then defense of the status quo is rarely circumscribed by what makes sense. As I’ve posted before, the “cherry-picking” charge doesn’t pass the smell test.

It would require that the parents of kids who are doing well in the district schools – those unfortunately named “cherries” – are being pulled out of the schools in which they are doing well to be put in, usually newer, usually less-well provisioned schools that are less convenient.

That doesn’t make a lick of sense and, in fact, it’s the opposite, kids who are having problems, who are more likely to show up at a charter.

But then defense of the status quo is rarely circumscribed by what makes sense.

]]> By: highest one day score http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/11/californias-top-schools-for-poor-kids-are-charters/comment-page-1/#comment-85347 highest one day score Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:59:52 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/?p=6286#comment-85347 [...] earned by American Indian Public Charter, a middle school in Oakland whose students are primarily Ashttp://joannejacobs.com/2008/11/13/californias-top-schools-for-poor-kids-are-charters/The battle for Ganguly's place begins - CricInfo.comBut then, after a convincing ODI debut in [...] [...] earned by American Indian Public Charter, a middle school in Oakland whose students are primarily Ashttp://joannejacobs.com/2008/11/13/californias-top-schools-for-poor-kids-are-charters/The battle for Ganguly's place begins – CricInfo.comBut then, after a convincing ODI debut in [...]

]]> By: pm http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/11/californias-top-schools-for-poor-kids-are-charters/comment-page-1/#comment-85299 pm Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:27:33 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/?p=6286#comment-85299 Educated Guess recently had a blog about a study of the charter schools which claimed to show that students were not being "cherry picked". This was supposedly true for students that stayed in the charter schools long term as well, which was a significant clarification as the schools had high turnover rates (public schools can also have high turnover rates). These claims were based on the prior and current academic success of the students and not on the behavioral success of the students. So I suppose its always possible that a significant part of these Charter's success could be coming from eliminating the most disruptive students (ala Joe Clark as portrayed in Lean on Me withtout the baseball bat of course). And of course there is always the problem of scale as the staffs at these schools also seemed exceptional and also had high turnover (Once again high turnover of educators is common in public schools as well.) But what's wrong with localized success, we don't seem to be bothered about it when it comes to elite neighborhoods. Why should affording the right geography be the only way to get an advantage. So my opinion is let the charter movement grow as large as it can. Educated Guess recently had a blog about a study of the charter schools which claimed to show that students were not being “cherry picked”. This was supposedly true for students that stayed in the charter schools long term as well, which was a significant clarification as the schools had high turnover rates (public schools can also have high turnover rates). These claims were based on the prior and current academic success of the students and not on the behavioral success of the students. So I suppose its always possible that a significant part of these Charter’s success could be coming from eliminating the most disruptive students (ala Joe Clark as portrayed in Lean on Me withtout the baseball bat of course). And of course there is always the problem of scale as the staffs at these schools also seemed exceptional and also had high turnover (Once again high turnover of educators is common in public schools as well.) But what’s wrong with localized success, we don’t seem to be bothered about it when it comes to elite neighborhoods. Why should affording the right geography be the only way to get an advantage. So my opinion is let the charter movement grow as large as it can.

]]> By: Ed is Watching » Exciting News: California Charter Schools the Best at Teaching Poor Kids http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/11/californias-top-schools-for-poor-kids-are-charters/comment-page-1/#comment-85293 Ed is Watching » Exciting News: California Charter Schools the Best at Teaching Poor Kids Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:51:36 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/?p=6286#comment-85293 [...] of the top-performing 15 schools in California that serve low-income students are charter schools (H/T Joanne Jacobs). Nearly all of [...] [...] of the top-performing 15 schools in California that serve low-income students are charter schools (H/T Joanne Jacobs). Nearly all of [...]

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