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	<title>Comments on: Baracking the classroom vote</title>
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		<title>By: Bandit</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/10/baracking-the-classroom-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-83874</link>
		<dc:creator>Bandit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;As for the responsibilities of education, shouldnâ€™t we teach children their role in a democracy?&lt;/b&gt;

Who&#039;s we - the parents? Except for 18 yr olds - school kids don&#039;t have the right to vote - and it&#039;s really none of the teachers business whether they vote or not - 

&lt;b&gt;But how about the study of rhetoric in a language class? Whether analyzing the words of a Republican President trying to convince the country to go to war or a Democrat mayor trying to convince his constituents to let him take over blah, blah, blah &lt;/b&gt;

Again - since on way too many occasions teachers have proven themselves totally incapable of using judgement and discretion I&#039;ll stick with the educate and not indoctrinate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>As for the responsibilities of education, shouldnâ€™t we teach children their role in a democracy?</b></p>
<p>Who&#8217;s we &#8211; the parents? Except for 18 yr olds &#8211; school kids don&#8217;t have the right to vote &#8211; and it&#8217;s really none of the teachers business whether they vote or not &#8211; </p>
<p><b>But how about the study of rhetoric in a language class? Whether analyzing the words of a Republican President trying to convince the country to go to war or a Democrat mayor trying to convince his constituents to let him take over blah, blah, blah </b></p>
<p>Again &#8211; since on way too many occasions teachers have proven themselves totally incapable of using judgement and discretion I&#8217;ll stick with the educate and not indoctrinate.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Lopez</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/10/baracking-the-classroom-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-83857</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs. Lopez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently our courageous Anonymous poster doesn&#039;t realize that wearing *something* to support *someone* would be pointless if no one else knew what it represented.

Every kid in the school would know what was going on by the end of the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently our courageous Anonymous poster doesn&#8217;t realize that wearing *something* to support *someone* would be pointless if no one else knew what it represented.</p>
<p>Every kid in the school would know what was going on by the end of the day.</p>
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		<title>By: SuperSub</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/10/baracking-the-classroom-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-83856</link>
		<dc:creator>SuperSub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I find it interesting that wearing blue translates into liberal indoctrination.&quot;

When the color is associated with a specific liberal political candidate, yes, it does. If it was simply &quot;Election Blue Day&quot; we would not have this post to comment on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I find it interesting that wearing blue translates into liberal indoctrination.&#8221;</p>
<p>When the color is associated with a specific liberal political candidate, yes, it does. If it was simply &#8220;Election Blue Day&#8221; we would not have this post to comment on.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Eagleson</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/10/baracking-the-classroom-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-83852</link>
		<dc:creator>Dick Eagleson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I find it interesting that wearing blue translates into liberal indoctrination.&lt;/i&gt;

Maybe in Virginia.  Here in L.A. it means you&#039;re a Crip and can make you a target in certain neighborhoods.

&lt;i&gt;Apparently, students are attuned to special color-based subliminal messages&lt;/i&gt;

Color-based messages, oh yeah.  Subliminal?  Not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I find it interesting that wearing blue translates into liberal indoctrination.</i></p>
<p>Maybe in Virginia.  Here in L.A. it means you&#8217;re a Crip and can make you a target in certain neighborhoods.</p>
<p><i>Apparently, students are attuned to special color-based subliminal messages</i></p>
<p>Color-based messages, oh yeah.  Subliminal?  Not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting that wearing blue translates into liberal indoctrination. Apparently, students are attuned to special color-based subliminal messages that make them prefer Obama when they see blue. Excellent work, you paranoid right-wing nuts! God forbid my children ever wind up in any of YOUR classrooms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that wearing blue translates into liberal indoctrination. Apparently, students are attuned to special color-based subliminal messages that make them prefer Obama when they see blue. Excellent work, you paranoid right-wing nuts! God forbid my children ever wind up in any of YOUR classrooms.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Strauss</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/10/baracking-the-classroom-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-83820</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Strauss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 07:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bandit, regarding my suggestion that students ought to be encouraged to be politically active, you said:

Thatâ€™s really not the purpose or responsibility of the school and certainly has no place outside of civics class. Educate - not indoctrinate.

I certainly agree with educating and not indoctrinating -- which should be clear from my comment.

As for the responsibilities of education, shouldn&#039;t we teach children their role in a democracy? And isn&#039;t that role to vote as informed citizens? I suppose one can teach about that role without encouraging students to actually live up to the expectation.

Is that what you mean?

As for &quot;no place outside of civics class,&quot; a fair enough point. But how about the study of rhetoric in a language class? Whether analyzing the words of a Republican President trying to convince the country to go to war or a Democrat mayor trying to convince his constituents to let him take over the school system, examining those words is an authentic way to improve reading comprehension, the understanding of how to write, and the critical eye essential to being an informed citizen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bandit, regarding my suggestion that students ought to be encouraged to be politically active, you said:</p>
<p>Thatâ€™s really not the purpose or responsibility of the school and certainly has no place outside of civics class. Educate &#8211; not indoctrinate.</p>
<p>I certainly agree with educating and not indoctrinating &#8212; which should be clear from my comment.</p>
<p>As for the responsibilities of education, shouldn&#8217;t we teach children their role in a democracy? And isn&#8217;t that role to vote as informed citizens? I suppose one can teach about that role without encouraging students to actually live up to the expectation.</p>
<p>Is that what you mean?</p>
<p>As for &#8220;no place outside of civics class,&#8221; a fair enough point. But how about the study of rhetoric in a language class? Whether analyzing the words of a Republican President trying to convince the country to go to war or a Democrat mayor trying to convince his constituents to let him take over the school system, examining those words is an authentic way to improve reading comprehension, the understanding of how to write, and the critical eye essential to being an informed citizen.</p>
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		<title>By: Quincy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quincy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Is the next step going to be to require people to report how they voted?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Considering that the union leaders of the world are agitating to use the power of the federal government to do &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121815502467222555.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;something close to this&lt;/a&gt;, I would urge you not to give them any ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Is the next step going to be to require people to report how they voted?</p></blockquote>
<p>Considering that the union leaders of the world are agitating to use the power of the federal government to do <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121815502467222555.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries" rel="nofollow">something close to this</a>, I would urge you not to give them any ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: rightwingprof</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/10/baracking-the-classroom-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-83801</link>
		<dc:creator>rightwingprof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 10:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we have that again, please?

&lt;blockquote&gt;One reason that students donâ€™t demonstrate self-discipline is that teachers fail to exercise self-discipline. No one, especially students, should know anything about a teacherâ€™s political beliefs. As a professor, it is my job to facilitate a discussion that acknowledges both sides of an issue. Once a student knows my position on an issue, then everything that I say about that issue is filtered through that lens.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we have that again, please?</p>
<blockquote><p>One reason that students donâ€™t demonstrate self-discipline is that teachers fail to exercise self-discipline. No one, especially students, should know anything about a teacherâ€™s political beliefs. As a professor, it is my job to facilitate a discussion that acknowledges both sides of an issue. Once a student knows my position on an issue, then everything that I say about that issue is filtered through that lens.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allen said, &quot;Part of the fallout of an education system in which education is unimportant is that every, petty conceit takes on undeserved importance.&quot;

Perfect response, Allen. One reason that students don&#039;t demonstrate self-discipline is that teachers fail to exercise self-discipline. No one, especially students, should know anything about a teacher&#039;s political beliefs. As a professor, it is my job to facilitate a discussion that acknowledges both sides of an issue. Once a student knows my position on an issue, then everything that I say about that issue is filtered through that lens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allen said, &#8220;Part of the fallout of an education system in which education is unimportant is that every, petty conceit takes on undeserved importance.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perfect response, Allen. One reason that students don&#8217;t demonstrate self-discipline is that teachers fail to exercise self-discipline. No one, especially students, should know anything about a teacher&#8217;s political beliefs. As a professor, it is my job to facilitate a discussion that acknowledges both sides of an issue. Once a student knows my position on an issue, then everything that I say about that issue is filtered through that lens.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another reason why I don&#039;t belong to a union.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another reason why I don&#8217;t belong to a union&#8230;..</p>
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