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		<title>By: Education Maze</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/08/what-new-teachers-need-to-know/#comment-38656</link>
		<dc:creator>Education Maze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops, ignore my typo (or possible freudian slip)---fooling should be fulfilling</description>
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		<title>By: Education Maze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Education Maze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of these recommendations seem great, but a few bother me. In particular...

&quot;15. Keep a file of IEP and 504 plans youâ€™re given on students.  Highlight the things that youâ€™re obligated to do.  Be sure that you implement them enough to justify compliance if the student still fails or if a parent complains.  This isnâ€™t meant to be derogatory to those students or parents, but most of these accommodations, in my experience, are unnecessary and ultimately counterproductive.  Most of the useful ones are things that, as a good teacher, you do anyway.  However, some parents demand IEPâ€™s and 504â€™s as ways of â€œinsuringâ€ that their children pass classes, and if they donâ€™t, the parents will come for your head.  Since you can expect no sympathy from the staff at your school (these are, after all, legally binding documents) be ready to defend yourself.  If you canâ€™t explain how youâ€™ve complied with the requirements of a studentâ€™s accommodations, youâ€™ll be hot water, and you donâ€™t need that kind of grief.&quot;

Um, fooling an IEP in not about keeping you the teacher out of hot water but truly serving the student. Implementing them enough might be enough to get a child a C, but if you implement the differentiated instruction to its fullest that might mean a higher grade. A parent can demand an IEP all they want, but the actual document is constructed by a team of educators who are trying to serve the student.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of these recommendations seem great, but a few bother me. In particular&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;15. Keep a file of IEP and 504 plans youâ€™re given on students.  Highlight the things that youâ€™re obligated to do.  Be sure that you implement them enough to justify compliance if the student still fails or if a parent complains.  This isnâ€™t meant to be derogatory to those students or parents, but most of these accommodations, in my experience, are unnecessary and ultimately counterproductive.  Most of the useful ones are things that, as a good teacher, you do anyway.  However, some parents demand IEPâ€™s and 504â€™s as ways of â€œinsuringâ€ that their children pass classes, and if they donâ€™t, the parents will come for your head.  Since you can expect no sympathy from the staff at your school (these are, after all, legally binding documents) be ready to defend yourself.  If you canâ€™t explain how youâ€™ve complied with the requirements of a studentâ€™s accommodations, youâ€™ll be hot water, and you donâ€™t need that kind of grief.&#8221;</p>
<p>Um, fooling an IEP in not about keeping you the teacher out of hot water but truly serving the student. Implementing them enough might be enough to get a child a C, but if you implement the differentiated instruction to its fullest that might mean a higher grade. A parent can demand an IEP all they want, but the actual document is constructed by a team of educators who are trying to serve the student.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BadaBing, There is a difference between kids who don&#039;t behave and kids that some teachers can&#039;t/wont teach.

I also have a child that some teachers can&#039;t/wont teach.

Teachers, both new and old, draw a paycheck to teach the children in their class.  When they decide to only teach to the middle of the bell curve, they are not doing what they are paid to do, and kids like mine get thrown under the bus.

I understand that having a wildly mixed achievement level classroom may not be their choice, but they choose to draw a paycheck from an insitution that has that made that policy decision.  Deciding to take a job from a school that has mixed achievement level classes and then deciding to teach only some of the students is at least lazy and also dishonest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BadaBing, There is a difference between kids who don&#8217;t behave and kids that some teachers can&#8217;t/wont teach.</p>
<p>I also have a child that some teachers can&#8217;t/wont teach.</p>
<p>Teachers, both new and old, draw a paycheck to teach the children in their class.  When they decide to only teach to the middle of the bell curve, they are not doing what they are paid to do, and kids like mine get thrown under the bus.</p>
<p>I understand that having a wildly mixed achievement level classroom may not be their choice, but they choose to draw a paycheck from an insitution that has that made that policy decision.  Deciding to take a job from a school that has mixed achievement level classes and then deciding to teach only some of the students is at least lazy and also dishonest.</p>
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		<title>By: BadaBing</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/08/what-new-teachers-need-to-know/#comment-38653</link>
		<dc:creator>BadaBing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen to no PowerPoint, Annon.

I think Margo/Mom and Granny are over-analyzing the list and being unfair to its author. It seems contradictory to say &lt;i&gt;Iâ€™ve no objection at all to a teacherâ€™s saying there are certain children he or she cannot teach. What I do object to is the idea that these children can be ignored&lt;/i&gt; by the teacher. Children that refuse to learn, look for fights, soil the atmosphere with foul language and sexual innuendo, and whose bent for derailing the education of entire classrooms is their &lt;i&gt;raison dâ€™Ãªtre&lt;/i&gt; should not only be ignored but kicked the hell out of school. (Unfortunately, we all know they are not.) This raises the possibility that we may be talking about two totally different kinds of unteachable students.

Does Margo/Mom believe that, given the mindset of students teachers must deal with in today&#039;s crude and uncivil hip-hop society, and given the mounds of paperwork, the lack of support by and outright hostility of administrators, and the exhaustion that coping with all this entails, new teachers should be able to reach every kid in their classrooms and that, if they don&#039;t, they are not doing their jobs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to no PowerPoint, Annon.</p>
<p>I think Margo/Mom and Granny are over-analyzing the list and being unfair to its author. It seems contradictory to say <i>Iâ€™ve no objection at all to a teacherâ€™s saying there are certain children he or she cannot teach. What I do object to is the idea that these children can be ignored</i> by the teacher. Children that refuse to learn, look for fights, soil the atmosphere with foul language and sexual innuendo, and whose bent for derailing the education of entire classrooms is their <i>raison dâ€™Ãªtre</i> should not only be ignored but kicked the hell out of school. (Unfortunately, we all know they are not.) This raises the possibility that we may be talking about two totally different kinds of unteachable students.</p>
<p>Does Margo/Mom believe that, given the mindset of students teachers must deal with in today&#8217;s crude and uncivil hip-hop society, and given the mounds of paperwork, the lack of support by and outright hostility of administrators, and the exhaustion that coping with all this entails, new teachers should be able to reach every kid in their classrooms and that, if they don&#8217;t, they are not doing their jobs?</p>
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		<title>By: holly</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep in mind, everyone, that these are for new teachers.

When I began teaching (as a GTA at a division 1 university in the midwest), I had three days of &quot;orientation,&quot; none of which gave me any practical idea of what to do in the classroom.  The three-hour, once-a-week, seminar class was a complete waste of time.

The only thing that helped me succeed as a teacher was a desire to teach, and memories of what I&#039;d seen my favorite teachers do that was effective in a college classroom.  I would have cheerfully given a limb for advice like this.

There&#039;s a lot that makes sense.  There&#039;s some that an experienced teacher, one who&#039;s been at it a while longer, could safely ignore, but this seems to be advice for *new* teachers, primarily those who have had a lot of theory crammed down their throats with little to no practical experience (student teaching only goes so far) to back it up.

Where the new teacher is concerned, this advice could mean the difference between staying with the career they&#039;ve chosen, or leaving after a year--or possibly less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep in mind, everyone, that these are for new teachers.</p>
<p>When I began teaching (as a GTA at a division 1 university in the midwest), I had three days of &#8220;orientation,&#8221; none of which gave me any practical idea of what to do in the classroom.  The three-hour, once-a-week, seminar class was a complete waste of time.</p>
<p>The only thing that helped me succeed as a teacher was a desire to teach, and memories of what I&#8217;d seen my favorite teachers do that was effective in a college classroom.  I would have cheerfully given a limb for advice like this.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot that makes sense.  There&#8217;s some that an experienced teacher, one who&#8217;s been at it a while longer, could safely ignore, but this seems to be advice for *new* teachers, primarily those who have had a lot of theory crammed down their throats with little to no practical experience (student teaching only goes so far) to back it up.</p>
<p>Where the new teacher is concerned, this advice could mean the difference between staying with the career they&#8217;ve chosen, or leaving after a year&#8211;or possibly less.</p>
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		<title>By: Annon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got #51:  No PowerPoint!</description>
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		<title>By: Homeschooling Granny</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huston, I&#039;ve no objection at all to a teacher&#039;s saying there are certain children he or she cannot teach. What I do object to is the idea that these children can be ignored while the teacher concentrates on the middle of the bell curve (by implication also ignoring the top of the curve who are likely bored to distraction). Someone needs to be told: the principal and the parents for starters.
Does the school system have an alternative school for those not functioning in regular classrooms?
Some parents may not respond effectively to news that their kids are not making it but they deserve the information. I once lived in a city that hired truant officers, kindly people who showed up at homes and chatted with parents about why it was important that the kids got to be early enough to get up in time to go to school. Classroom teachers told me it made a difference.
There are policy makers working on national tests, standards, and curriculum--a colossal waste of time because none of it will touch the problems you describe. You need to start making some noise about what the real problems are. The efforts to improve education in the US remind me of the drunk looking for his keys under the street light though that is not where he dropped them. The policy makers are looking for solutions in the wrong place. Who&#039;s going to shine a flash light on the problems if not teachers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huston, I&#8217;ve no objection at all to a teacher&#8217;s saying there are certain children he or she cannot teach. What I do object to is the idea that these children can be ignored while the teacher concentrates on the middle of the bell curve (by implication also ignoring the top of the curve who are likely bored to distraction). Someone needs to be told: the principal and the parents for starters.<br />
Does the school system have an alternative school for those not functioning in regular classrooms?<br />
Some parents may not respond effectively to news that their kids are not making it but they deserve the information. I once lived in a city that hired truant officers, kindly people who showed up at homes and chatted with parents about why it was important that the kids got to be early enough to get up in time to go to school. Classroom teachers told me it made a difference.<br />
There are policy makers working on national tests, standards, and curriculum&#8211;a colossal waste of time because none of it will touch the problems you describe. You need to start making some noise about what the real problems are. The efforts to improve education in the US remind me of the drunk looking for his keys under the street light though that is not where he dropped them. The policy makers are looking for solutions in the wrong place. Who&#8217;s going to shine a flash light on the problems if not teachers?</p>
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		<title>By: Margo/Mom</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huston:

I did read through your entire list and noted that in addition to specifying your lack of responsibility for reaching the unreachable you also are pretty plain about only following IEPs enough to CYA.

I have a son who may graduate this school year--the jury is still out. But the attitudes that you express about students &quot;making a choice&quot; with regard to engagement and learning didn&#039;t just show up in high school. They were first expressed by experts at the kindergarten level. The first request for testing got me a psych intern who opined that there was nothing really wrong--he just didn&#039;t want to learn. It was a full year later, in another school (and after an outside evaluation), before I could get confirmation of actual learning difficulties--and there was still a heavy preference for focusing on the behavioral ramifications (mainly because with that label they could move him on to yet another school) rather than learning disabilities.

It has been a long, long road, and I have encountered many teachers who would accept your belief that some kids (including mine) are just unreachable. This also helps them to define me as &quot;part of the problem&quot; because I am &quot;in denial&quot; that this is so. None would say out loud (and I wonder if you are writing under a pseudonym to publish this) where a parent can hear that they really believe that most of the things in an IEP are just silly and that the ones that make sense they would do anyway. It is very frustrating, as a parent, to see this kind of duplicity in action.

I have to go back to Granny&#039;s suggestion. Why not just be honest that you accept no responsibility for the education of certain students in your class--and believe that they cannot be reached (for whatever reason). Write that into the IEP. Parents would love it. There are consequences. The district would have to pay for an appropriate education elsewhere, but hey, wouldn&#039;t that be better all around?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huston:</p>
<p>I did read through your entire list and noted that in addition to specifying your lack of responsibility for reaching the unreachable you also are pretty plain about only following IEPs enough to CYA.</p>
<p>I have a son who may graduate this school year&#8211;the jury is still out. But the attitudes that you express about students &#8220;making a choice&#8221; with regard to engagement and learning didn&#8217;t just show up in high school. They were first expressed by experts at the kindergarten level. The first request for testing got me a psych intern who opined that there was nothing really wrong&#8211;he just didn&#8217;t want to learn. It was a full year later, in another school (and after an outside evaluation), before I could get confirmation of actual learning difficulties&#8211;and there was still a heavy preference for focusing on the behavioral ramifications (mainly because with that label they could move him on to yet another school) rather than learning disabilities.</p>
<p>It has been a long, long road, and I have encountered many teachers who would accept your belief that some kids (including mine) are just unreachable. This also helps them to define me as &#8220;part of the problem&#8221; because I am &#8220;in denial&#8221; that this is so. None would say out loud (and I wonder if you are writing under a pseudonym to publish this) where a parent can hear that they really believe that most of the things in an IEP are just silly and that the ones that make sense they would do anyway. It is very frustrating, as a parent, to see this kind of duplicity in action.</p>
<p>I have to go back to Granny&#8217;s suggestion. Why not just be honest that you accept no responsibility for the education of certain students in your class&#8211;and believe that they cannot be reached (for whatever reason). Write that into the IEP. Parents would love it. There are consequences. The district would have to pay for an appropriate education elsewhere, but hey, wouldn&#8217;t that be better all around?</p>
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		<title>By: Quincy</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Homeschooling Granny -

The point about pandering to a warped view of the world relates specifically to that school of educator who continually cripples students by only teaching them what he or she believes is relevant to their lives.

Imagine being a student in an inner city school and having everything related back to the street because that&#039;s all your teacher thinks you know.  How would you feel about yourself, and your lot in life, if you were treated like that?

You&#039;re right that human beings learn.  All their lives, in fact.  The only thing I&#039;d add is that children learn in school, until their taught not to.  When educators confine children to intellectual closets in the name of &quot;relevance&quot;, those children learn that school isn&#039;t worth it, and start looking for another way out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homeschooling Granny -</p>
<p>The point about pandering to a warped view of the world relates specifically to that school of educator who continually cripples students by only teaching them what he or she believes is relevant to their lives.</p>
<p>Imagine being a student in an inner city school and having everything related back to the street because that&#8217;s all your teacher thinks you know.  How would you feel about yourself, and your lot in life, if you were treated like that?</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that human beings learn.  All their lives, in fact.  The only thing I&#8217;d add is that children learn in school, until their taught not to.  When educators confine children to intellectual closets in the name of &#8220;relevance&#8221;, those children learn that school isn&#8217;t worth it, and start looking for another way out.</p>
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		<title>By: BadaBing</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear hear! Spoken like a true combat veteran. I have some minor disagreements, such as with the one about waking sleeping students. Sometimes that&#039;s a blessing. Usually I walk down the aisle, gently touch the student on his/her arm and ask him/her if he would like to go to the nurse. They don&#039;t want to, but if they don&#039;t sit up with eyes open, I will write a pass and off they go. I, too, feel that I am not there to &quot;save&quot; the small minority of miscreants that make class miserable for everyone else. They should get the boot immediately, but they don&#039;t even get the boot until much much later. I will not sacrifice the education of the willing to &quot;reach&quot; some gangbanger low-life and make myself feel like a savior. The list is right on, the author of it one righteous dude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear hear! Spoken like a true combat veteran. I have some minor disagreements, such as with the one about waking sleeping students. Sometimes that&#8217;s a blessing. Usually I walk down the aisle, gently touch the student on his/her arm and ask him/her if he would like to go to the nurse. They don&#8217;t want to, but if they don&#8217;t sit up with eyes open, I will write a pass and off they go. I, too, feel that I am not there to &#8220;save&#8221; the small minority of miscreants that make class miserable for everyone else. They should get the boot immediately, but they don&#8217;t even get the boot until much much later. I will not sacrifice the education of the willing to &#8220;reach&#8221; some gangbanger low-life and make myself feel like a savior. The list is right on, the author of it one righteous dude.</p>
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