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		<title>By: pm</title>
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		<dc:creator>pm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 04:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a tour of the New Globe Theater in London the guide kept reminding us that Shakespeare&#039;s plays were primarily meant to be heard rather than seen.  I gather people of the time used to say they were going to hear a play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a tour of the New Globe Theater in London the guide kept reminding us that Shakespeare&#8217;s plays were primarily meant to be heard rather than seen.  I gather people of the time used to say they were going to hear a play.</p>
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		<title>By: Catch Thirty-Three</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catch Thirty-Three</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many moons ago, my senior English class watched &quot;Hamlet&quot;. Why?  because my English teacher, to his immense credit, said that &quot;Plays are meant to be performed and watched, not read.&quot;  I enjoyed &quot;Hamlet&quot;.  Perhaps a little too much, actually.  :-)

There is merit to everything I have read here.  I actually enjoy discussions like this because it allows me to reflect so much on the past and how I approached literature (I&#039;ll be pondering this all afternoon).  In my mind, you can introduce &quot;the classics&quot; but you have to do it in such a way where it isn&#039;t necessarily painful.  Too many times I have known teachers who seem to go out of their way to destroy the enjoyment of reading.  Take my freshman English teacher.  We read &quot;The Old Man And The Sea&quot; and I thought it was okay.  But she seems out-and-out determined to make us hate it with her discussions of symbolism.  She was not amused when I was saying that there was nothing special about it, that it was all about a fisherman who one day went after a marlin and spent his time not fishing by discussing baseball.  

Don&#039;t get me started on &quot;Great Expectations&quot;.  That was the worst novel I read in school and in fact I think Dickens to be overrated.  While she was destroying whatever fun you could have with something as horrible as &quot;Great Expectations&quot;, I kept sneaking swipes of &quot;The Odyssey&quot;.  :-)

Of course, at the other extreme is the example of my senior English teacher who had us watch &quot;Hamlet&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many moons ago, my senior English class watched &#8220;Hamlet&#8221;. Why?  because my English teacher, to his immense credit, said that &#8220;Plays are meant to be performed and watched, not read.&#8221;  I enjoyed &#8220;Hamlet&#8221;.  Perhaps a little too much, actually.  <img src='http://www.joannejacobs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>There is merit to everything I have read here.  I actually enjoy discussions like this because it allows me to reflect so much on the past and how I approached literature (I&#8217;ll be pondering this all afternoon).  In my mind, you can introduce &#8220;the classics&#8221; but you have to do it in such a way where it isn&#8217;t necessarily painful.  Too many times I have known teachers who seem to go out of their way to destroy the enjoyment of reading.  Take my freshman English teacher.  We read &#8220;The Old Man And The Sea&#8221; and I thought it was okay.  But she seems out-and-out determined to make us hate it with her discussions of symbolism.  She was not amused when I was saying that there was nothing special about it, that it was all about a fisherman who one day went after a marlin and spent his time not fishing by discussing baseball.  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me started on &#8220;Great Expectations&#8221;.  That was the worst novel I read in school and in fact I think Dickens to be overrated.  While she was destroying whatever fun you could have with something as horrible as &#8220;Great Expectations&#8221;, I kept sneaking swipes of &#8220;The Odyssey&#8221;.  <img src='http://www.joannejacobs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Of course, at the other extreme is the example of my senior English teacher who had us watch &#8220;Hamlet&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: oliviacw</title>
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		<dc:creator>oliviacw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it takes some maturity to appreciate a lot of books.  Even as a bookish girl-teen, I couldn&#039;t manage Jane Austen - she was much better when I read her works in my late 20s.

The best set of readings I even had in school were during my 8th grade year, when I took a half-year class where we focused on Mark Twain, and another half-year class focused on Charles Dickens.  Both are accessible and entertaining for teens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it takes some maturity to appreciate a lot of books.  Even as a bookish girl-teen, I couldn&#8217;t manage Jane Austen &#8211; she was much better when I read her works in my late 20s.</p>
<p>The best set of readings I even had in school were during my 8th grade year, when I took a half-year class where we focused on Mark Twain, and another half-year class focused on Charles Dickens.  Both are accessible and entertaining for teens.</p>
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		<title>By: plum</title>
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		<dc:creator>plum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have them read A. Lansing&#039;s &quot;Endurance.&quot;   I&#039;ve yet to encounter another book that so many enjoy and bond over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have them read A. Lansing&#8217;s &#8220;Endurance.&#8221;   I&#8217;ve yet to encounter another book that so many enjoy and bond over.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Roulo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Roulo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt;The same is true for Shakespeare. His plays are meant to be performed onstage but are often taught as if they were closet dramas. Not that high school students do very well with acting things out, but it sure was less painful than reading it at home.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

One crazy possibility would be to watch a movie of the play in question.  *Then* read the bits that we care about while discussing the play.

I have a hard time imagining a film class *reading* the scripts and talking about the movies *without* watching them.  Why are plays different?

-Mark Roulo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>The same is true for Shakespeare. His plays are meant to be performed onstage but are often taught as if they were closet dramas. Not that high school students do very well with acting things out, but it sure was less painful than reading it at home.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>One crazy possibility would be to watch a movie of the play in question.  *Then* read the bits that we care about while discussing the play.</p>
<p>I have a hard time imagining a film class *reading* the scripts and talking about the movies *without* watching them.  Why are plays different?</p>
<p>-Mark Roulo</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff the Baptist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff the Baptist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Another thoughtâ€¦They also hate it because they have to read it.&quot;

This is true of a lot of required readings.  For instance Dickens did not write true novels.  Most of his major works are actually serials that were published over the course of years in literary magazines and then collected into single volumes.  Worse yet, no one told me this when we read David Copperfield.

The same is true for Shakespeare.  His plays are meant to be performed onstage but are often taught as if they were closet dramas.  Not that high school students do very well with acting things out, but it sure was less painful than reading it at home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Another thoughtâ€¦They also hate it because they have to read it.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is true of a lot of required readings.  For instance Dickens did not write true novels.  Most of his major works are actually serials that were published over the course of years in literary magazines and then collected into single volumes.  Worse yet, no one told me this when we read David Copperfield.</p>
<p>The same is true for Shakespeare.  His plays are meant to be performed onstage but are often taught as if they were closet dramas.  Not that high school students do very well with acting things out, but it sure was less painful than reading it at home.</p>
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		<title>By: holly</title>
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		<dc:creator>holly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good thought, Dawn.  That&#039;s how I&#039;m planning to present much of the oral tradition Anglo-Saxon work that I love so much to the boy I&#039;m carrying now.  I think it&#039;ll speak to him--there&#039;s more to A-S poetry than most people ever realize.  And most teachers have no idea how to present it.

I fell in love with Shakespeare when I was eight or nine through Charles &amp; Mary Lamb&#039;s charming adaptations for children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good thought, Dawn.  That&#8217;s how I&#8217;m planning to present much of the oral tradition Anglo-Saxon work that I love so much to the boy I&#8217;m carrying now.  I think it&#8217;ll speak to him&#8211;there&#8217;s more to A-S poetry than most people ever realize.  And most teachers have no idea how to present it.</p>
<p>I fell in love with Shakespeare when I was eight or nine through Charles &amp; Mary Lamb&#8217;s charming adaptations for children.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So many hate The Illiad because their teachers do.&quot;

Another thought...They also hate it because they have to read it. My daughter has loved Homer since she was 8. I found some excellent retellings in the form of audio books for her at that point. 

They were originally oral tales and maybe that&#039;s how kids should be introduced to them. It always struck me as a little stupid to introduce kids to Shakespeare by making them read it as well. Present art in the medium it was meant for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So many hate The Illiad because their teachers do.&#8221;</p>
<p>Another thought&#8230;They also hate it because they have to read it. My daughter has loved Homer since she was 8. I found some excellent retellings in the form of audio books for her at that point. </p>
<p>They were originally oral tales and maybe that&#8217;s how kids should be introduced to them. It always struck me as a little stupid to introduce kids to Shakespeare by making them read it as well. Present art in the medium it was meant for?</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not a new problem.  I&#039;ve always been a voracious reader and though I gravitate towards science fiction and fantasy I am open to pretty much any genre as long as itâ€™s well written and the subject matter is presented in an interesting manner.

My teachers introduced me to authors I would have never read on my own but who I came to love such as Steinbeck and Solzhenitsyn.  At the same time, they occasionally demonstrated a knack for coming up with books that were almost impossible to get through.

I remember that in preparation of 9th grade we were assigned &lt;i&gt;Gods, Graves, &amp; Scholars&lt;/i&gt; by C.W. Ceram, &lt;i&gt;The King Must Die&lt;/i&gt; by Mary Renault, and a third book that slips my memory.  I started with &lt;i&gt;Gods, Graves, &amp; Scholars&lt;/i&gt; because I thought it sounded cool but the reality was that this teenage boy found it very dry and incredibly boring and I was doing well to read more than 5-10 pages at a time.  In fact, it took me so long to get through it that I never did manage to read &lt;i&gt;The King Must Die&lt;/i&gt; before school started.

Amusingly enough, when they tested us on the books we were supposed to read, I did better on the section about &lt;i&gt;The King Must Die&lt;/i&gt; than on the two books I had actually read just by giving vague answers based on my knowledge of the Theseus myth from my independent reading of Greek mythology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not a new problem.  I&#8217;ve always been a voracious reader and though I gravitate towards science fiction and fantasy I am open to pretty much any genre as long as itâ€™s well written and the subject matter is presented in an interesting manner.</p>
<p>My teachers introduced me to authors I would have never read on my own but who I came to love such as Steinbeck and Solzhenitsyn.  At the same time, they occasionally demonstrated a knack for coming up with books that were almost impossible to get through.</p>
<p>I remember that in preparation of 9th grade we were assigned <i>Gods, Graves, &amp; Scholars</i> by C.W. Ceram, <i>The King Must Die</i> by Mary Renault, and a third book that slips my memory.  I started with <i>Gods, Graves, &amp; Scholars</i> because I thought it sounded cool but the reality was that this teenage boy found it very dry and incredibly boring and I was doing well to read more than 5-10 pages at a time.  In fact, it took me so long to get through it that I never did manage to read <i>The King Must Die</i> before school started.</p>
<p>Amusingly enough, when they tested us on the books we were supposed to read, I did better on the section about <i>The King Must Die</i> than on the two books I had actually read just by giving vague answers based on my knowledge of the Theseus myth from my independent reading of Greek mythology.</p>
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		<title>By: ucladavid</title>
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		<dc:creator>ucladavid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NDC,
There has always been the problem of competiting interests. If kids didn&#039;t text, im or use facebook, then they would talk on the phone. I remember growing up where I played video games for hours on end, or chatted with friends on the phone all night or watched TV shows for several hours.

Every generation of kids has this problem. I was one of the best in my graduating class (finished 3rd), but I used Cliff Notes when I didn&#039;t want to read a book like Jane Erye. I slacked off on some homework that I wasn&#039;t interested in. I remember instead of reading Hamlet, I watched the Kenneth Branaugh 4 hour version that was 99% close to the original.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NDC,<br />
There has always been the problem of competiting interests. If kids didn&#8217;t text, im or use facebook, then they would talk on the phone. I remember growing up where I played video games for hours on end, or chatted with friends on the phone all night or watched TV shows for several hours.</p>
<p>Every generation of kids has this problem. I was one of the best in my graduating class (finished 3rd), but I used Cliff Notes when I didn&#8217;t want to read a book like Jane Erye. I slacked off on some homework that I wasn&#8217;t interested in. I remember instead of reading Hamlet, I watched the Kenneth Branaugh 4 hour version that was 99% close to the original.</p>
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