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		<title>By: Math Resources Blog &#187; Comment on Math meltdown by chippy</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/07/math-meltdown/#comment-37904</link>
		<dc:creator>Math Resources Blog &#187; Comment on Math meltdown by chippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: chippy</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/07/math-meltdown/#comment-37903</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Think of how hard it would be to read the newspaper if you didnâ€™t know the alphabet, or even a few letters. Kids who donâ€™t know their math facts are at the same disadvantage in their high school math class.&lt;/i&gt;

I think that the closer analogy is &quot;how hard it would be to read the newspaper if you had to sound out every word, every time you encounter it.&quot;  Kids who just figured out 8+5 via calculator turn around and do the same thing for 5+8 two calculations later.

One of my kids had a requirement to provide a calculator, any calculator, for 5th grade math.  When I asked the teacher if they had any discussion about order of operations on cheap dollar-store calculators versus scientific calculators, the teacher wasn&#039;t aware that something like 3+4*5 &lt;i&gt;had&lt;/i&gt; more than one answer.  The kids are trained to trust the calculators without having a clue because the math apple doesn&#039;t fall far from the teacher tree unless parents are very, very vigilant.</description>
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<p>I think that the closer analogy is &#8220;how hard it would be to read the newspaper if you had to sound out every word, every time you encounter it.&#8221;  Kids who just figured out 8+5 via calculator turn around and do the same thing for 5+8 two calculations later.</p>
<p>One of my kids had a requirement to provide a calculator, any calculator, for 5th grade math.  When I asked the teacher if they had any discussion about order of operations on cheap dollar-store calculators versus scientific calculators, the teacher wasn&#8217;t aware that something like 3+4*5 <i>had</i> more than one answer.  The kids are trained to trust the calculators without having a clue because the math apple doesn&#8217;t fall far from the teacher tree unless parents are very, very vigilant.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/07/math-meltdown/#comment-37902</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I happened across this article when it was published and read it to the group of high school math teachers at a workshop I was presenting. We all agreed that the article was right on the mark! We as math teachers struggle to teacher kids upper level mathematics because they haven&#039;t mastered their basic facts! They are so tied to their calculator that they cannot do simple calculations without it.

And to those of you who don&#039;t see why people need to know basic facts - have you ever been to a store or fast food restaurant and had the person behind the counter unable to count change because the register isn&#039;t working? Why is it socially acceptable to be math illiterate but not reading illiterate?

You may not have used you high school algebra or geometry since high school, but you have used the thinking skills you acquired in those high school math class. In high school, most kids do not know what career they will go into, but whatever career it is, they will have to know HOW TO THINK LOGICALLY. Math is the universal language that all kids can speak to learn logical thinking and reasoning. When my students ask when they will use a specific skill outside of my math class, this is what I tell them. They are doing brain calisthenics in my class, stretching their &quot;logic muscles.&quot;

Think of how hard it would be to read the newspaper if you didn&#039;t know the alphabet, or even a few letters. Kids who don&#039;t know their math facts are at the same disadvantage in their high school math class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I happened across this article when it was published and read it to the group of high school math teachers at a workshop I was presenting. We all agreed that the article was right on the mark! We as math teachers struggle to teacher kids upper level mathematics because they haven&#8217;t mastered their basic facts! They are so tied to their calculator that they cannot do simple calculations without it.</p>
<p>And to those of you who don&#8217;t see why people need to know basic facts &#8211; have you ever been to a store or fast food restaurant and had the person behind the counter unable to count change because the register isn&#8217;t working? Why is it socially acceptable to be math illiterate but not reading illiterate?</p>
<p>You may not have used you high school algebra or geometry since high school, but you have used the thinking skills you acquired in those high school math class. In high school, most kids do not know what career they will go into, but whatever career it is, they will have to know HOW TO THINK LOGICALLY. Math is the universal language that all kids can speak to learn logical thinking and reasoning. When my students ask when they will use a specific skill outside of my math class, this is what I tell them. They are doing brain calisthenics in my class, stretching their &#8220;logic muscles.&#8221;</p>
<p>Think of how hard it would be to read the newspaper if you didn&#8217;t know the alphabet, or even a few letters. Kids who don&#8217;t know their math facts are at the same disadvantage in their high school math class.</p>
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		<title>By: Math Resources Blog &#187; Comment on Math meltdown by Crimson Wife</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/07/math-meltdown/#comment-37901</link>
		<dc:creator>Math Resources Blog &#187; Comment on Math meltdown by Crimson Wife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/07/math-meltdown/#comment-37900</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very irritated at the idea that adults feel free to just &quot;opt out&quot; of math.  I&#039;ve been meaning to write about it for a long time now, so I finally did:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://roborant.info/main.do?entry=1409&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://roborant.info/main.do?entry=1409&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very irritated at the idea that adults feel free to just &#8220;opt out&#8221; of math.  I&#8217;ve been meaning to write about it for a long time now, so I finally did:</p>
<p><a href="http://roborant.info/main.do?entry=1409" rel="nofollow">http://roborant.info/main.do?entry=1409</a></p>
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		<title>By: Math Resources Blog &#187; Comment on Math meltdown by John Dewey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Math Resources Blog &#187; Comment on Math meltdown by John Dewey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Crimson Wife</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/07/math-meltdown/#comment-37898</link>
		<dc:creator>Crimson Wife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most effective math programs are those that take a balanced approach, teaching both the underlying concepts and also the traditional algorithms. The traditional math I grew up on was great at teaching me how to calculate the correct answer, but I never really understood why the formulas worked. The fuzzy new math programs such as the infamous &quot;Everyday Mathematics&quot; one that don&#039;t ever teach kids the efficient algorithms are a disaster. What&#039;s needed is something in between these two extremes.

There are programs out there like that such as Singapore and the one that we use in my family&#039;s homeschool called Right Start- I only wish that more government-run schools adopted them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most effective math programs are those that take a balanced approach, teaching both the underlying concepts and also the traditional algorithms. The traditional math I grew up on was great at teaching me how to calculate the correct answer, but I never really understood why the formulas worked. The fuzzy new math programs such as the infamous &#8220;Everyday Mathematics&#8221; one that don&#8217;t ever teach kids the efficient algorithms are a disaster. What&#8217;s needed is something in between these two extremes.</p>
<p>There are programs out there like that such as Singapore and the one that we use in my family&#8217;s homeschool called Right Start- I only wish that more government-run schools adopted them.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/07/math-meltdown/#comment-37897</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still amazed--although given the last 30 years in American schools, I should not be--when anyone argues against learning facts in any subject, especially mathematics. Give me a college student who can do what what the CEO in Rob&#039;s post can do with numbers and I am a very happy professor, parent, employer, etc. Personally, I can do in my head exactly what Rob&#039;s CEO can do with numbers. I haven&#039;t had to use algebra, geometry, or trigonometry since I graduated from high school in 1969. Yet, I publish research papers with complex statistical analyses. Yes, yes, I know that complex math such as algebra is used in these analyses. But, the primary information that I need to know is the numbers. As long as I understand what the numbers mean, I don&#039;t have to use or understand complex mathematics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still amazed&#8211;although given the last 30 years in American schools, I should not be&#8211;when anyone argues against learning facts in any subject, especially mathematics. Give me a college student who can do what what the CEO in Rob&#8217;s post can do with numbers and I am a very happy professor, parent, employer, etc. Personally, I can do in my head exactly what Rob&#8217;s CEO can do with numbers. I haven&#8217;t had to use algebra, geometry, or trigonometry since I graduated from high school in 1969. Yet, I publish research papers with complex statistical analyses. Yes, yes, I know that complex math such as algebra is used in these analyses. But, the primary information that I need to know is the numbers. As long as I understand what the numbers mean, I don&#8217;t have to use or understand complex mathematics.</p>
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		<title>By: Parent2</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/07/math-meltdown/#comment-37896</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mastery of the basic vocabulary of an area of study is necessary, but not sufficient, for further study.  Thus, students must learn basic arithmetic in order to grasp fully more advanced mathematical concepts, and they must learn grammar in order to parse sentences, paragraphs, and compositions.  Well educated parents seem to make an effort to remedy such lacks in their children&#039;s education.  The pity is that other children are left to the mercies of school administrations.

The present credit crisis gripping our country illustrates a lack of mathematical understanding on the part of much of the populace.  I read pundits blaming debtors for greed. Perhaps they&#039;re right, but having read about the state of American education, I think it is at least debatable that many debtors had no idea how quickly an increase in an interest rate would add up.  I think the NAEP math scores agree with this conjecture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mastery of the basic vocabulary of an area of study is necessary, but not sufficient, for further study.  Thus, students must learn basic arithmetic in order to grasp fully more advanced mathematical concepts, and they must learn grammar in order to parse sentences, paragraphs, and compositions.  Well educated parents seem to make an effort to remedy such lacks in their children&#8217;s education.  The pity is that other children are left to the mercies of school administrations.</p>
<p>The present credit crisis gripping our country illustrates a lack of mathematical understanding on the part of much of the populace.  I read pundits blaming debtors for greed. Perhaps they&#8217;re right, but having read about the state of American education, I think it is at least debatable that many debtors had no idea how quickly an increase in an interest rate would add up.  I think the NAEP math scores agree with this conjecture.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/07/math-meltdown/#comment-37895</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs. Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I was busy. Thanks for covering for me.</description>
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