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		<title>By: markm</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/06/teaching-kids-to-focus-hear/#comment-36850</link>
		<dc:creator>markm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bart: You could always claim that you learned to read upside down when you were three years old, by watching as your father read from the Bible.

Does anyone remember which famous dead white male actually did learn to read this way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bart: You could always claim that you learned to read upside down when you were three years old, by watching as your father read from the Bible.</p>
<p>Does anyone remember which famous dead white male actually did learn to read this way?</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/06/teaching-kids-to-focus-hear/#comment-36849</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Take a new magazine. Turn it upside down and look through it cover to cover, paying attention mostly to the pictures. Then do it again the next day, and maybe a day after that.&lt;/i&gt;

Just don&#039;t try this in public, or at least not in front of your employer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Take a new magazine. Turn it upside down and look through it cover to cover, paying attention mostly to the pictures. Then do it again the next day, and maybe a day after that.</i></p>
<p>Just don&#8217;t try this in public, or at least not in front of your employer.</p>
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		<title>By: Deirdre Mundy</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/06/teaching-kids-to-focus-hear/#comment-36848</link>
		<dc:creator>Deirdre Mundy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if some of this retraining might be aimed at kids from &quot;impoverished environments.&quot;

Apparently, even now, in modern America, there are kids who arrive in school who have never colored a picture, played with clay, played in the sand, held a book, been to a parade, listened to music, gone to a zoo or museum.......

It&#039;s hard to believe, since none of these things need a lot of resources (I know, because we do them all with our kids...)
But teachers assure me there are lots of kids like this and it&#039;s not hard to imagine that they&#039;d lack the skills normally acquired by taking walks and coloring and going neat places.(My husband, ever the realist, points out: &quot;When you spend 3000 on the latest TV and 100.month on cable and 200/month on games for your Xbox360, there&#039;s not alot left over to buy the kids crayons on 30,000 a year......)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if some of this retraining might be aimed at kids from &#8220;impoverished environments.&#8221;</p>
<p>Apparently, even now, in modern America, there are kids who arrive in school who have never colored a picture, played with clay, played in the sand, held a book, been to a parade, listened to music, gone to a zoo or museum&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to believe, since none of these things need a lot of resources (I know, because we do them all with our kids&#8230;)<br />
But teachers assure me there are lots of kids like this and it&#8217;s not hard to imagine that they&#8217;d lack the skills normally acquired by taking walks and coloring and going neat places.(My husband, ever the realist, points out: &#8220;When you spend 3000 on the latest TV and 100.month on cable and 200/month on games for your Xbox360, there&#8217;s not alot left over to buy the kids crayons on 30,000 a year&#8230;&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Nieporent</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/06/teaching-kids-to-focus-hear/#comment-36847</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Nieporent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 01:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Action video gamers tend to be more attune to their surroundings while performing tasks like driving down a residential street, where they may be more likely to pick out a child running after a ball than a non-video gamer.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;The research also suggests that action game playing might be a useful tool to rehabilitate visually impaired patients or to train soldiers for combat.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;&quot;It is certainly good training for people in situations where they need to detect things in their visual environment at any time in any location, like ground troops going through uncharted territory,&quot; said Daphne Bavelier, an associate professor of brain and cognitive sciences at the University of Rochester.&lt;/i&gt;

Brian, it would help if you actually read the reference before you dismissed it. Google &quot;hand eye coordination video games&quot; and you will see a large number of references on this topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Action video gamers tend to be more attune to their surroundings while performing tasks like driving down a residential street, where they may be more likely to pick out a child running after a ball than a non-video gamer.</i></p>
<p><i>The research also suggests that action game playing might be a useful tool to rehabilitate visually impaired patients or to train soldiers for combat.</i></p>
<p><i>&#8220;It is certainly good training for people in situations where they need to detect things in their visual environment at any time in any location, like ground troops going through uncharted territory,&#8221; said Daphne Bavelier, an associate professor of brain and cognitive sciences at the University of Rochester.</i></p>
<p>Brian, it would help if you actually read the reference before you dismissed it. Google &#8220;hand eye coordination video games&#8221; and you will see a large number of references on this topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Rude</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/06/teaching-kids-to-focus-hear/#comment-36846</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Rude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 01:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see no conflict in the study linked to by Richard Nieporent and the statement by engineer-poet.  The study says that video games may &quot;train the brain to better process certain visual information&quot;.  That may well be true.  But it is still perfectly true, as engineer-poet says,  a video screen does not require decoding depth perception cues.  So it makes perfect sense that a person could have no trouble visually perceiving and interpreting a video screen, yet be totally at a loss as to where a moving ball in space is.

        I remember from many years ago my mother commenting that young children may or may not be able to interpret a picture.  If a picture shows a house and a dog, don&#039;t assume the child sees a house and a dog.  Find out.  Ask leading questions.  The child might just possibly be surprised to learn there is a house and a dog in that picture.  Of course a lot depends on the age of the child.  Here&#039;s an experiment I discovered myself, not so many years ago.  Take a new magazine.  Turn it upside down and look through it cover to cover, paying attention mostly to the pictures.  Then do it again the next day, and maybe a day after that.  Then, after getting familiar with the magazine upside down, look through it right side up.  You may find it surprising what you did not see looking at it upside down.

   Interpreting a picture has nothing to do with perceiving depth in space, of course, but the point is that the normal brain develops many skills in the course of growing up.  Some of these skills may be invisible to us, unless and until we know how to look for them.  The normal brain also, I think, develops many compensations that can mask deficits.  This makes it hard to discover those deficits.  An example of this, and a very common one, is when parents discover their child needs glasses, though they had no clue before going to an optometrist.

    So I would predict in the future we will hear a lot more about this sort of thing.  If we learn to look for deficits in new ways, we will definitely find them now and then.  When we find them, we will want to do something.  Some of this sort of thing will be bogus in one way or another, I would think, but not all of it will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see no conflict in the study linked to by Richard Nieporent and the statement by engineer-poet.  The study says that video games may &#8220;train the brain to better process certain visual information&#8221;.  That may well be true.  But it is still perfectly true, as engineer-poet says,  a video screen does not require decoding depth perception cues.  So it makes perfect sense that a person could have no trouble visually perceiving and interpreting a video screen, yet be totally at a loss as to where a moving ball in space is.</p>
<p>        I remember from many years ago my mother commenting that young children may or may not be able to interpret a picture.  If a picture shows a house and a dog, don&#8217;t assume the child sees a house and a dog.  Find out.  Ask leading questions.  The child might just possibly be surprised to learn there is a house and a dog in that picture.  Of course a lot depends on the age of the child.  Here&#8217;s an experiment I discovered myself, not so many years ago.  Take a new magazine.  Turn it upside down and look through it cover to cover, paying attention mostly to the pictures.  Then do it again the next day, and maybe a day after that.  Then, after getting familiar with the magazine upside down, look through it right side up.  You may find it surprising what you did not see looking at it upside down.</p>
<p>   Interpreting a picture has nothing to do with perceiving depth in space, of course, but the point is that the normal brain develops many skills in the course of growing up.  Some of these skills may be invisible to us, unless and until we know how to look for them.  The normal brain also, I think, develops many compensations that can mask deficits.  This makes it hard to discover those deficits.  An example of this, and a very common one, is when parents discover their child needs glasses, though they had no clue before going to an optometrist.</p>
<p>    So I would predict in the future we will hear a lot more about this sort of thing.  If we learn to look for deficits in new ways, we will definitely find them now and then.  When we find them, we will want to do something.  Some of this sort of thing will be bogus in one way or another, I would think, but not all of it will be.</p>
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		<title>By: Engineer-Poet</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/06/teaching-kids-to-focus-hear/#comment-36845</link>
		<dc:creator>Engineer-Poet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 01:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How fast is Rosser&#039;s patient moving toward him as he wields the scalpel?&#160; How does tracking blobs on a screen at a constant distance relate to gauging the motion of an object moving in 3 dimensions?

You don&#039;t seem to understand your own references.&#160; They do not support the claim you imply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How fast is Rosser&#8217;s patient moving toward him as he wields the scalpel?&nbsp; How does tracking blobs on a screen at a constant distance relate to gauging the motion of an object moving in 3 dimensions?</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t seem to understand your own references.&nbsp; They do not support the claim you imply.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Nieporent</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/06/teaching-kids-to-focus-hear/#comment-36844</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Nieporent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 00:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;According to the experiments, which are reported in the May 29 issue of Nature, people who play action video games can process visual information more quickly and can track 30 percent more objects than non video game players.&lt;/I&gt;

http://tinyurl.com/lnacj

&lt;i&gt;I use the same hand-eye coordination to play video games as I use for surgery,&quot; said Dr. James &quot;Butch&quot; Rosser, 49, who demonstrated the results of his study Tuesday at Beth Israel Medical Center.&lt;/i&gt;

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4685909/

Engineer-Poet, I guess you better inform them that they don&#039;t know what they are talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>According to the experiments, which are reported in the May 29 issue of Nature, people who play action video games can process visual information more quickly and can track 30 percent more objects than non video game players.</i></p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/lnacj" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/lnacj</a></p>
<p><i>I use the same hand-eye coordination to play video games as I use for surgery,&#8221; said Dr. James &#8220;Butch&#8221; Rosser, 49, who demonstrated the results of his study Tuesday at Beth Israel Medical Center.</i></p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4685909/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4685909/</a></p>
<p>Engineer-Poet, I guess you better inform them that they don&#8217;t know what they are talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Engineer-Poet</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/06/teaching-kids-to-focus-hear/#comment-36843</link>
		<dc:creator>Engineer-Poet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 00:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;So how do they manage to play all those video games if they canâ€™t focus on moving objects?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;A bunch of pixels on a TV screen isn&#039;t an object.&#160; It requires no change of focus, no decoding of depth cues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>So how do they manage to play all those video games if they canâ€™t focus on moving objects?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>A bunch of pixels on a TV screen isn&#8217;t an object.&nbsp; It requires no change of focus, no decoding of depth cues.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 20:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim said, &quot;School directors really need an education in how research should be presented.&quot;

Many school directors, principals, etc., do indeed get an education in how research is conducted and presented and also how to be a wise consumer of research. I have taught it to many, many, many of these folks over 30 years. Mostly, they ignore the education that they receive about research in favor of their own personalized knowledge, which is the type of knowledge that largely drives educational methodologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim said, &#8220;School directors really need an education in how research should be presented.&#8221;</p>
<p>Many school directors, principals, etc., do indeed get an education in how research is conducted and presented and also how to be a wise consumer of research. I have taught it to many, many, many of these folks over 30 years. Mostly, they ignore the education that they receive about research in favor of their own personalized knowledge, which is the type of knowledge that largely drives educational methodologies.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Nieporent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Nieporent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 12:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;Most had 20/20 vision, but they struggled to focus on moving objects, track lines of print and refocus from near to far.&lt;/I&gt;

So how do they manage to play all those video games if they can&#039;t focus on moving objects?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Most had 20/20 vision, but they struggled to focus on moving objects, track lines of print and refocus from near to far.</i></p>
<p>So how do they manage to play all those video games if they can&#8217;t focus on moving objects?</p>
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