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	<title>Comments on: &#039;Scary&#039; MySpace precedent</title>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/05/scary-myspace-precedent/#comment-36339</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 22:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles-are you 109 years old? Who do you think is on MySpace?</description>
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		<title>By: Charles R. Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/05/scary-myspace-precedent/#comment-36338</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles R. Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 11:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No 13 year-old girl should be on myspace let alone a 13 year-old girl in treatment for depression.</description>
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		<title>By: NDC</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 01:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, Charles, but she is an adult which makes if fundamentally different than it being done by a 16 year old, if you ask me. Her culpability is different. You may be right that it&#039;s too intrusive to criminalize really.

Have you read about the case? You might be amazed at how closely her parents did supervise the girl&#039;s internet use, unless you mean that they literally needed to stand over her shoulder every moment she was online, but that&#039;s a pretty high standard. They knew her passwords; they gave her permission about when she could be online; they limited who had access to her profile. They gave &quot;Josh&quot; permission to talk to her based on the fraudulent efforts of Lori Drew. Is that something we should blame them for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, Charles, but she is an adult which makes if fundamentally different than it being done by a 16 year old, if you ask me. Her culpability is different. You may be right that it&#8217;s too intrusive to criminalize really.</p>
<p>Have you read about the case? You might be amazed at how closely her parents did supervise the girl&#8217;s internet use, unless you mean that they literally needed to stand over her shoulder every moment she was online, but that&#8217;s a pretty high standard. They knew her passwords; they gave her permission about when she could be online; they limited who had access to her profile. They gave &#8220;Josh&#8221; permission to talk to her based on the fraudulent efforts of Lori Drew. Is that something we should blame them for?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles R. Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles R. Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 00:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever the adult Lori Drew did could have been done by a real 16 year old boy in cahoots with a sister. And the consequences could have been the same. The real issue here is the failure of the girl&#039;s parents to supervise her use of the internet.

This is prosecutorial vigilantism since it is extremely unlikely that Lori Drew will be convicted of a crime.

The truth is that we can harm each other with devastating consequences outside of the reach of the criminal law.

There may be some basis here for a civil action although I doubt there is much to gain financially from suing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever the adult Lori Drew did could have been done by a real 16 year old boy in cahoots with a sister. And the consequences could have been the same. The real issue here is the failure of the girl&#8217;s parents to supervise her use of the internet.</p>
<p>This is prosecutorial vigilantism since it is extremely unlikely that Lori Drew will be convicted of a crime.</p>
<p>The truth is that we can harm each other with devastating consequences outside of the reach of the criminal law.</p>
<p>There may be some basis here for a civil action although I doubt there is much to gain financially from suing.</p>
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		<title>By: KateCoe</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/05/scary-myspace-precedent/#comment-36335</link>
		<dc:creator>KateCoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 23:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If that had been my kid, there wouldn&#039;t be enough left of Lori Drew to charge. Cyberstalking and harassment are scary enough, but Drew knew the child in meat space, and had enough information to deliberately manipulate her and harm her. Drew&#039;s also never shown remorse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that had been my kid, there wouldn&#8217;t be enough left of Lori Drew to charge. Cyberstalking and harassment are scary enough, but Drew knew the child in meat space, and had enough information to deliberately manipulate her and harm her. Drew&#8217;s also never shown remorse.</p>
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		<title>By: NDC</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/05/scary-myspace-precedent/#comment-36334</link>
		<dc:creator>NDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 22:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rightwingprof,

You are on to something in your social commentary about cyberbullying generally, but in the Lori Drew case does seems to me that she ought to be considered guilty of something.

What would have had to be true for her to have been guilty of emotional child abuse though, rather than some kind of computer crime? Drew was an adult person who was aware that she was dealing with a psychologically fragile middle schooler (she was aware she was being medicated) and she  deliberately tricked her and did her harm. It actually went beyond just calling someone names. It was a pretty elaborate fraud that unfolded over weeks or months, if I remember correctly, involving building trust and then turning on her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rightwingprof,</p>
<p>You are on to something in your social commentary about cyberbullying generally, but in the Lori Drew case does seems to me that she ought to be considered guilty of something.</p>
<p>What would have had to be true for her to have been guilty of emotional child abuse though, rather than some kind of computer crime? Drew was an adult person who was aware that she was dealing with a psychologically fragile middle schooler (she was aware she was being medicated) and she  deliberately tricked her and did her harm. It actually went beyond just calling someone names. It was a pretty elaborate fraud that unfolded over weeks or months, if I remember correctly, involving building trust and then turning on her.</p>
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		<title>By: rightwingprof</title>
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		<dc:creator>rightwingprof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 15:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget the prosecution. The idea that anyone would take the concept of &quot;cyberbullying&quot; seriously is worse than frightening. The woman&#039;s behavior was reprehensible, to say the least, but that girl had serious problems or she wouldn&#039;t have killed herself.

Has our society become so gutless and weak that we equate being called names with physical assault?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget the prosecution. The idea that anyone would take the concept of &#8220;cyberbullying&#8221; seriously is worse than frightening. The woman&#8217;s behavior was reprehensible, to say the least, but that girl had serious problems or she wouldn&#8217;t have killed herself.</p>
<p>Has our society become so gutless and weak that we equate being called names with physical assault?</p>
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