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		<title>By: JeffreyB</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/05/redefining-intelligence/comment-page-1/#comment-77633</link>
		<dc:creator>JeffreyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 18:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to AndyJoy&#039;s comment &quot;When I was tested for the GATE program at my small school in Idaho, there were two classesâ€“academic and artistic/creative&quot;

When I was in grade school (late 1970&#039;s and early 1980&#039;s) in Houston, I was in a program that required both academic and creative giftedness.  I think there is something to be said for identifying and nurturing creative giftedness -- but it is neither a proxy nor a substitute for academic giftedness.  There should be programs to address both, whether separately or together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to AndyJoy&#8217;s comment &#8220;When I was tested for the GATE program at my small school in Idaho, there were two classesâ€“academic and artistic/creative&#8221;</p>
<p>When I was in grade school (late 1970&#8217;s and early 1980&#8217;s) in Houston, I was in a program that required both academic and creative giftedness.  I think there is something to be said for identifying and nurturing creative giftedness &#8212; but it is neither a proxy nor a substitute for academic giftedness.  There should be programs to address both, whether separately or together.</p>
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		<title>By: Required Reading at The Core Knowledge Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/05/redefining-intelligence/comment-page-1/#comment-76440</link>
		<dc:creator>Required Reading at The Core Knowledge Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 11:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Â Redefining intelligenceÂ at Joanne Jacobs Yale psychologists are trying to develop new tests of intelligence that measure â€œpractical, creative, and analytical skills.&#8221; One goal is to identify more black and Hispanic children as â€œgifted.â€ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Â Redefining intelligenceÂ at Joanne Jacobs Yale psychologists are trying to develop new tests of intelligence that measure â€œpractical, creative, and analytical skills.&#8221; One goal is to identify more black and Hispanic children as â€œgifted.â€ [...]</p>
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		<title>By: AndyJoy</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/05/redefining-intelligence/comment-page-1/#comment-76282</link>
		<dc:creator>AndyJoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 05:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was tested for the GATE program at my small school in Idaho, there were two classes--academic and artistic/creative.  I qualified for both programs, but since both were full-day pullout, they put me in academic only so I wouldn&#039;t miss 2 days of &quot;real&quot; school a week.  My sister qualified for the creative program only.

This was in 1993 when I was 12, and they were identifying gifted kids based on creative skills back then.  However, it was based on observable things like imaginative writing, artistic expression, and general creativity.  One test was a worksheet with 10 boxes, each with a different small doodle/shape/mark in it.  The object was to draw a picture incorporating the doodle and give it a title.  The time limit was 20 min. I believe.  Points were scored based on how creative (uncommon) the drawings were compared to other kids&#039; drawings.  I remember one of the doodles was double curve similar to a lowercase m.  The proctor told me afterwards that a typical kid would make it a bird flying and draw the sun and waves.  I added a third curve, made it into an ant, added a a checkered blanket, another ant, and several foods, and titled it &quot;Picnic Parade.&quot;  I earned full creative marks for that one. 

My sister was initially identified based on the creativity in her writing and art.  She chose unusual subjects for her pieces.  She enjoyed writing from the point of view of household objects, and blew her teachers away with her creativity.  When she was in 3rd grade, she wrote from the point of view of a lightbulb and then one of her teacher&#039;s high heels.  I remember seeing the form they used to identify creatively gifted kids, and one of the criterion was that the student drew unusual things (not puppies, rainbows, horses, houses, planes, cars, etc.)

This kind of giftedness should be identified and supported as well, but not in the same classes as academic giftedness.  My sister&#039;s class was focused on teaching them a variety of artistic mediums, polishing their creative writing skills, honing their drama skills, etc.  My academic classes were focused on logic, experimentation, research, problem-solving, etc.  Though some kids (like me) were suited for both, mixing ALL these kids together would have been counter-productive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was tested for the GATE program at my small school in Idaho, there were two classes&#8211;academic and artistic/creative.  I qualified for both programs, but since both were full-day pullout, they put me in academic only so I wouldn&#8217;t miss 2 days of &#8220;real&#8221; school a week.  My sister qualified for the creative program only.</p>
<p>This was in 1993 when I was 12, and they were identifying gifted kids based on creative skills back then.  However, it was based on observable things like imaginative writing, artistic expression, and general creativity.  One test was a worksheet with 10 boxes, each with a different small doodle/shape/mark in it.  The object was to draw a picture incorporating the doodle and give it a title.  The time limit was 20 min. I believe.  Points were scored based on how creative (uncommon) the drawings were compared to other kids&#8217; drawings.  I remember one of the doodles was double curve similar to a lowercase m.  The proctor told me afterwards that a typical kid would make it a bird flying and draw the sun and waves.  I added a third curve, made it into an ant, added a a checkered blanket, another ant, and several foods, and titled it &#8220;Picnic Parade.&#8221;  I earned full creative marks for that one. </p>
<p>My sister was initially identified based on the creativity in her writing and art.  She chose unusual subjects for her pieces.  She enjoyed writing from the point of view of household objects, and blew her teachers away with her creativity.  When she was in 3rd grade, she wrote from the point of view of a lightbulb and then one of her teacher&#8217;s high heels.  I remember seeing the form they used to identify creatively gifted kids, and one of the criterion was that the student drew unusual things (not puppies, rainbows, horses, houses, planes, cars, etc.)</p>
<p>This kind of giftedness should be identified and supported as well, but not in the same classes as academic giftedness.  My sister&#8217;s class was focused on teaching them a variety of artistic mediums, polishing their creative writing skills, honing their drama skills, etc.  My academic classes were focused on logic, experimentation, research, problem-solving, etc.  Though some kids (like me) were suited for both, mixing ALL these kids together would have been counter-productive.</p>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/05/redefining-intelligence/comment-page-1/#comment-76253</link>
		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 00:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there are multiple kinds of intelligence that are different enough to require different tests to measure them, then what is the likelihood that the possessors of these various forms of smartness will all benfit from being in the same &quot;gifted&quot; class?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there are multiple kinds of intelligence that are different enough to require different tests to measure them, then what is the likelihood that the possessors of these various forms of smartness will all benfit from being in the same &#8220;gifted&#8221; class?</p>
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		<title>By: Ragnarok</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/05/redefining-intelligence/comment-page-1/#comment-76244</link>
		<dc:creator>Ragnarok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 22:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;â€œPractical intelligenceâ€ correlates toâ€¦what, exactly?&lt;/i&gt;

More money for progressive &#039;researchers&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>â€œPractical intelligenceâ€ correlates toâ€¦what, exactly?</i></p>
<p>More money for progressive &#8216;researchers&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 22:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vital Core said, &quot;â€œgâ€ measured via IQ has been shown to correlate to all sorts of things for a very long time: prison time, income, divorce rates, brain size based on MRI data, SAT scoresâ€¦ â€œPractical intelligenceâ€ correlates toâ€¦what, exactly?&quot;

Well said. But, again, the facts are irrelevant. The authors of this new test are on a mission. The mission is social justice or some other nonsense. Thus, practical intelligence can correlate to whatever you want, like.... identifying more black and Hispanic kids as gifted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vital Core said, &#8220;â€œgâ€ measured via IQ has been shown to correlate to all sorts of things for a very long time: prison time, income, divorce rates, brain size based on MRI data, SAT scoresâ€¦ â€œPractical intelligenceâ€ correlates toâ€¦what, exactly?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well said. But, again, the facts are irrelevant. The authors of this new test are on a mission. The mission is social justice or some other nonsense. Thus, practical intelligence can correlate to whatever you want, like&#8230;. identifying more black and Hispanic kids as gifted.</p>
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		<title>By: Vital Core</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/05/redefining-intelligence/comment-page-1/#comment-76224</link>
		<dc:creator>Vital Core</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 15:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œgâ€ measured via IQ has been shown to correlate to all sorts of things for a very long time: prison time, income, divorce rates, brain size based on MRI data, SAT scores...

&quot;Practical intelligence&quot; correlates to...what, exactly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œgâ€ measured via IQ has been shown to correlate to all sorts of things for a very long time: prison time, income, divorce rates, brain size based on MRI data, SAT scores&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Practical intelligence&#8221; correlates to&#8230;what, exactly?</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/05/redefining-intelligence/comment-page-1/#comment-76215</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 14:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The correct answer is: It doesn&#039;t matter why 4 and 7 aren&#039;t getting along! The correct answer is that such a &quot;test&quot; will identify more black and Hispanic children as gifted to show that we&#039;re not biased.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The correct answer is: It doesn&#8217;t matter why 4 and 7 aren&#8217;t getting along! The correct answer is that such a &#8220;test&#8221; will identify more black and Hispanic children as gifted to show that we&#8217;re not biased.</p>
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		<title>By: SuperSub</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/05/redefining-intelligence/comment-page-1/#comment-76210</link>
		<dc:creator>SuperSub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 13:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4 believed that a system where some numbers were valued more than others was unjust, so 4 created fuzzy math to reduce the importance of a number&#039;s worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4 believed that a system where some numbers were valued more than others was unjust, so 4 created fuzzy math to reduce the importance of a number&#8217;s worth.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/05/redefining-intelligence/comment-page-1/#comment-76131</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs. Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 22:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4 is smaller than 7. 4 knows 7 uses his size to take advantage of the evens. 7 really started the fight when the playground monitor wasn&#039;t watching. 4 felt she had to defend herself because everyone knows 7 ate 9.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4 is smaller than 7. 4 knows 7 uses his size to take advantage of the evens. 7 really started the fight when the playground monitor wasn&#8217;t watching. 4 felt she had to defend herself because everyone knows 7 ate 9.</p>
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