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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/04/wild-teachers-on-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-74658</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has there ever been a time or profession, outside of politics and the entertainment industry, where public displays of questionable behavior weren&#039;t a bad idea?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has there ever been a time or profession, outside of politics and the entertainment industry, where public displays of questionable behavior weren&#8217;t a bad idea?</p>
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		<title>By: Margo/Mom</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/04/wild-teachers-on-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-74603</link>
		<dc:creator>Margo/Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diana:

I think you raise a valid point regarding the grey area. Perhaps one key is to look at irresponsible behavior vs controversial behavior. I have read of teachers being fired for poetry that students read (on the web, that the teacher wrote). These are people I would likely defend.

On the other hand, there comes a point--being employed in one&#039;s first job is a good point of coincidence--when behavior matters in a different way, and consequences get very real. While teachers lives are not so public as movie stars or politicians, it is best to maintain a broad swath of privacy around things that one would rather no display on the bulletin board in the hall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diana:</p>
<p>I think you raise a valid point regarding the grey area. Perhaps one key is to look at irresponsible behavior vs controversial behavior. I have read of teachers being fired for poetry that students read (on the web, that the teacher wrote). These are people I would likely defend.</p>
<p>On the other hand, there comes a point&#8211;being employed in one&#8217;s first job is a good point of coincidence&#8211;when behavior matters in a different way, and consequences get very real. While teachers lives are not so public as movie stars or politicians, it is best to maintain a broad swath of privacy around things that one would rather no display on the bulletin board in the hall.</p>
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		<title>By: Andromeda</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/04/wild-teachers-on-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-74602</link>
		<dc:creator>Andromeda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And here I *just* edited my Facebook privacy settings, to, among other things, have a special filter just for students (one former student has friended me and perhaps someday there will be more).  It&#039;s not that hard, people.  They give you an awful lot of control over who can see what.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here I *just* edited my Facebook privacy settings, to, among other things, have a special filter just for students (one former student has friended me and perhaps someday there will be more).  It&#8217;s not that hard, people.  They give you an awful lot of control over who can see what.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2008/04/wild-teachers-on-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-74590</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to &quot;rho&quot;: there are more than two kinds of baby boomers. Many baby boomers came of age as their parents divorced. Those from unstable, fighting, broken families often had a harder time finding their way, from what I have observed, than those from stable, happy families, whether rich or poor. Yes, some were indulging themselves without a thought of others or tomorrow, but others were struggling to make sense of their lives. There have been many outcomes: some found their way to rewarding occupations and long-term relationships; others continued to flail desperately; and many lived somewhere in between. I agree that those with less privilege often tended to work harder and indulge less. But there was considerable variation.

Much, I imagine, rests on what one makes of one&#039;s experiences and actions, positive or negative. I agree with Mike Curtis about narcissism, the &quot;new god of self-esteem.&quot; Narcissism is not only self-infatuation but lack of perspective on the self. To a degree we are all narcissistic. No one has enough perspective to make perfect decisions at every moment or to see oneself in relation to the larger world. No one is immune to mistakes, no matter what anyone says. But over time the present gains dimension. One learns to relate it to the past; to foresee consequences of actions; to perceive options, and to treat oneself and others with compassion and honesty. 

The young teachers mentioned in the article apparently lacked this sort of perspective. That doesn&#039;t mean they won&#039;t gain it over time. This experience may prove transformative for some.

I have more perspective than I did at age 20, and look forward to much more still. I never expect to reach a point where I no longer make mistakes, or where I understand everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to &#8220;rho&#8221;: there are more than two kinds of baby boomers. Many baby boomers came of age as their parents divorced. Those from unstable, fighting, broken families often had a harder time finding their way, from what I have observed, than those from stable, happy families, whether rich or poor. Yes, some were indulging themselves without a thought of others or tomorrow, but others were struggling to make sense of their lives. There have been many outcomes: some found their way to rewarding occupations and long-term relationships; others continued to flail desperately; and many lived somewhere in between. I agree that those with less privilege often tended to work harder and indulge less. But there was considerable variation.</p>
<p>Much, I imagine, rests on what one makes of one&#8217;s experiences and actions, positive or negative. I agree with Mike Curtis about narcissism, the &#8220;new god of self-esteem.&#8221; Narcissism is not only self-infatuation but lack of perspective on the self. To a degree we are all narcissistic. No one has enough perspective to make perfect decisions at every moment or to see oneself in relation to the larger world. No one is immune to mistakes, no matter what anyone says. But over time the present gains dimension. One learns to relate it to the past; to foresee consequences of actions; to perceive options, and to treat oneself and others with compassion and honesty. </p>
<p>The young teachers mentioned in the article apparently lacked this sort of perspective. That doesn&#8217;t mean they won&#8217;t gain it over time. This experience may prove transformative for some.</p>
<p>I have more perspective than I did at age 20, and look forward to much more still. I never expect to reach a point where I no longer make mistakes, or where I understand everything.</p>
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		<title>By: mike curtis</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MySpace...When a mirror just isn&#039;t enough.  Our newest educators, like the elders, reflect the society that spawned them.  Narcissus is the new god of self-esteem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MySpace&#8230;When a mirror just isn&#8217;t enough.  Our newest educators, like the elders, reflect the society that spawned them.  Narcissus is the new god of self-esteem.</p>
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		<title>By: SuperSub</title>
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		<dc:creator>SuperSub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the issue at hand is not the morals, ethics, or off-duty behavior of younger teachers, but of their intelligence and common sense.
Openly putting job-endangering information about yourself on the web where anyone can see it is just plain stupid. New teachers have a reputation for partying hard to relieve the stress associated with the job, but putting it where students, parents, and administrators can see it is a foolish mistake. As an administrator I would be more concerned about the display of the information than the lewd behavior itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the issue at hand is not the morals, ethics, or off-duty behavior of younger teachers, but of their intelligence and common sense.<br />
Openly putting job-endangering information about yourself on the web where anyone can see it is just plain stupid. New teachers have a reputation for partying hard to relieve the stress associated with the job, but putting it where students, parents, and administrators can see it is a foolish mistake. As an administrator I would be more concerned about the display of the information than the lewd behavior itself.</p>
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		<title>By: rho</title>
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		<dc:creator>rho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have long believed that there are two basic kinds of Baby Boomers: those whose parents paid their way through college, who had all the time and money to drink, fool around, and participate in the sexual revolution--and the other group like me who worked their way through college, were often the first in our families to go to college, and who didn&#039;t &quot;screw&quot; around in any sense of the word. I see these two groups reflected in long time marriages versus others my age who have had two or three mates, live-ins, or whatever. 
One kind of nice pay off that I noticed at the last reunion (40 years!) is that the drinkers and smokers and indulgers in other things look OLD compared to the others who have lived happy, but more moderate lives!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have long believed that there are two basic kinds of Baby Boomers: those whose parents paid their way through college, who had all the time and money to drink, fool around, and participate in the sexual revolution&#8211;and the other group like me who worked their way through college, were often the first in our families to go to college, and who didn&#8217;t &#8220;screw&#8221; around in any sense of the word. I see these two groups reflected in long time marriages versus others my age who have had two or three mates, live-ins, or whatever.<br />
One kind of nice pay off that I noticed at the last reunion (40 years!) is that the drinkers and smokers and indulgers in other things look OLD compared to the others who have lived happy, but more moderate lives!</p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the teachers in this article showed poor taste and judgment, not to mention immaturity. Those are pretty clear-cut cases. 

At the same time, there is grey area. To what extent does the profession dictate what a person can do on his or her own time? If a teacher writes stories, poems, or plays with mature, complex, or unsettling themes, should he or she refrain from publishing them? If a teacher has controversial opinions that could upset parents, should the teacher avoid expressing them publicly? 

I imagine most would answer: &quot;Of course not!--so long as the teachers separate their own life from their school life, and respect both.&quot; Yet it&#039;s perfectly conceivable that a principal would google a teacher to see what comes up, and decide that, well, this person doesn&#039;t quite fit with the school culture. 

Schools need to build and communicate a strong ethical code while honoring the ambiguities and unresolved questions within it. Education programs should include a practical and philosophical course in professional ethics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the teachers in this article showed poor taste and judgment, not to mention immaturity. Those are pretty clear-cut cases. </p>
<p>At the same time, there is grey area. To what extent does the profession dictate what a person can do on his or her own time? If a teacher writes stories, poems, or plays with mature, complex, or unsettling themes, should he or she refrain from publishing them? If a teacher has controversial opinions that could upset parents, should the teacher avoid expressing them publicly? </p>
<p>I imagine most would answer: &#8220;Of course not!&#8211;so long as the teachers separate their own life from their school life, and respect both.&#8221; Yet it&#8217;s perfectly conceivable that a principal would google a teacher to see what comes up, and decide that, well, this person doesn&#8217;t quite fit with the school culture. </p>
<p>Schools need to build and communicate a strong ethical code while honoring the ambiguities and unresolved questions within it. Education programs should include a practical and philosophical course in professional ethics.</p>
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		<title>By: lu-lu</title>
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		<dc:creator>lu-lu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if a teacher believes that their boss shouldn&#039;t hold their personal life against them, I can&#039;t believe that she would be naive enough to believe that her students wouldn&#039;t see the video and treat her differently.  I would think that classroom management issues would convince her to express a more &#039;respectable&#039; persona.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if a teacher believes that their boss shouldn&#8217;t hold their personal life against them, I can&#8217;t believe that she would be naive enough to believe that her students wouldn&#8217;t see the video and treat her differently.  I would think that classroom management issues would convince her to express a more &#8216;respectable&#8217; persona.</p>
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		<title>By: You Mean My Principal Can See My Facebook Page??!? at The Core Knowledge Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>You Mean My Principal Can See My Facebook Page??!? at The Core Knowledge Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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