Comments on: Outsourcing nursing education http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/09/outsourcing-nursing-education/ Thinking and Linking by Joanne Jacobs Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:51:22 +0000 hourly 1 By: Robert Lindsay http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/09/outsourcing-nursing-education/#comment-35900 Robert Lindsay Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:46:02 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2007/09/18/outsourcing-nursing-education/#comment-35900 <strong>The California Nursing Shortage...</strong> The state of California is outsourcing the training of nurses to Mexico due to cheaper labor costs and the ready availability of nursing instructors. Right now, up to 40 bilingual California nursing students are being considered for training in Mexic..... The California Nursing Shortage…

The state of California is outsourcing the training of nurses to Mexico due to cheaper labor costs and the ready availability of nursing instructors. Right now, up to 40 bilingual California nursing students are being considered for training in Mexic…..

]]> By: Ragnarok http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/09/outsourcing-nursing-education/#comment-35899 Ragnarok Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:14:29 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2007/09/18/outsourcing-nursing-education/#comment-35899 <i>"The short answer to your question is prop 13."</i> Really? Please explain in detail. I thought property taxes went mostly towards K-12, and K-12 is getting substantially more in real dollars now than when Prop. 13 passed. “The short answer to your question is prop 13.”

Really? Please explain in detail. I thought property taxes went mostly towards K-12, and K-12 is getting substantially more in real dollars now than when Prop. 13 passed.

]]> By: Judy Aron http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/09/outsourcing-nursing-education/#comment-35898 Judy Aron Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:24:18 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2007/09/18/outsourcing-nursing-education/#comment-35898 CT is also having a huge nursing shortage.. and doctors (especially ob-gyn's) are leaving the state because of huge malpractice insurance fees. With all the talk about universal healthcare - I wonder if there will be any providers around to care for everyone. I understand they are importing nurses from countries where the nursing education is not exactly up to par. CT is also having a huge nursing shortage.. and doctors (especially ob-gyn’s) are leaving the state because of huge malpractice insurance fees.
With all the talk about universal healthcare – I wonder if there will be any providers around to care for everyone.
I understand they are importing nurses from countries where the nursing education is not exactly up to par.

]]> By: Walter E. Wallis http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/09/outsourcing-nursing-education/#comment-35897 Walter E. Wallis Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:13:02 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2007/09/18/outsourcing-nursing-education/#comment-35897 Happy to hear about Fort Sam. Prop 13 didn't slow the growth of public employee salaries both directly and in relation to private industries. I believe tidelands oil royalties used to go to the universitys, but we brilliantly cut that off. Happy to hear about Fort Sam.
Prop 13 didn’t slow the growth of public employee salaries both directly and in relation to private industries. I believe tidelands oil royalties used to go to the universitys, but we brilliantly cut that off.

]]> By: rory http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/09/outsourcing-nursing-education/#comment-35896 rory Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:01:34 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2007/09/18/outsourcing-nursing-education/#comment-35896 Registered Nurses do not need a Bachelors degree, they only need an Associates. The clinical and medical training is exactly the same, a Bachelors degree just adds more general ed and a few management classes. The starting pay is the same for either degree. My wife graduated nursing school (ADN) and got her first nursing job today. She was originally on a two year waiting list, but when she moved in with me, she changed to a school that had merit admissions and got in right away. It should be noted that the drop out rate for nursing schools is high. Many people go into nursing, not realizing how challenging it is, and the standards are very very high. Even after graduating from nursing school, there is still a significant number of graduates that can't pass the NCLEX test that is required to become a certified RN. Even after people become nurses, there is a relatively high change of occupation rate because the workload is high. My WAG is that roughly 50% (maybe lower) of people who enter nursing school will be nurses in 10 years. Then again, there aren't many other occupations that offer 40-50K starting salaries. Registered Nurses do not need a Bachelors degree, they only need an Associates. The clinical and medical training is exactly the same, a Bachelors degree just adds more general ed and a few management classes.

The starting pay is the same for either degree.

My wife graduated nursing school (ADN) and got her first nursing job today.

She was originally on a two year waiting list, but when she moved in with me, she changed to a school that had merit admissions and got in right away.

It should be noted that the drop out rate for nursing schools is high. Many people go into nursing, not realizing how challenging it is, and the standards are very very high.

Even after graduating from nursing school, there is still a significant number of graduates that can’t pass the NCLEX test that is required to become a certified RN.

Even after people become nurses, there is a relatively high change of occupation rate because the workload is high. My WAG is that roughly 50% (maybe lower) of people who enter nursing school will be nurses in 10 years.

Then again, there aren’t many other occupations that offer 40-50K starting salaries.

]]> By: Catch Thirty Thr33 http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/09/outsourcing-nursing-education/#comment-35895 Catch Thirty Thr33 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:00:16 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2007/09/18/outsourcing-nursing-education/#comment-35895 Walter - As a San Antonio native, I can assure you that Fort Sam Houston is alive and well, and still does much medical training. In fact, it is due to train ALL in the medical field from ALL branches of the military eventually. Walter – As a San Antonio native, I can assure you that Fort Sam Houston is alive and well, and still does much medical training. In fact, it is due to train ALL in the medical field from ALL branches of the military eventually.

]]> By: gbl3rd http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/09/outsourcing-nursing-education/#comment-35894 gbl3rd Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:25:13 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2007/09/18/outsourcing-nursing-education/#comment-35894 superdestroyer I am sure you are right, but I find it amusing that nonprofit organizations are driven primarily by money and not by underserved social needs just like the profit oriented ones. Bureaucracies are the same no matter what their label. superdestroyer

I am sure you are right, but I find it amusing that nonprofit organizations are driven primarily by money and not by underserved social needs just like the profit oriented ones. Bureaucracies are the same no matter what their label.

]]> By: superdestroyer http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/09/outsourcing-nursing-education/#comment-35893 superdestroyer Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:40:37 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2007/09/18/outsourcing-nursing-education/#comment-35893 Nursing schools also produce no grants. A physics major is more expensive than an English major but the physics department are any research university (like UC-Irvine) will bring in funds from research. A nursing school brings in little in research dollars. I also suspect that nurses make lousy alumnist. Why spend resources creating a ton of alumnist who do not donate anything. Nursing schools also produce no grants. A physics major is more expensive than an English major but the physics department are any research university (like UC-Irvine) will bring in funds from research. A nursing school brings in little in research dollars.

I also suspect that nurses make lousy alumnist. Why spend resources creating a ton of alumnist who do not donate anything.

]]> By: André Kenji http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/09/outsourcing-nursing-education/#comment-35892 André Kenji Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:30:55 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2007/09/18/outsourcing-nursing-education/#comment-35892 And I thought that here in Brazil we have so many people studying to be nurses... And I thought that here in Brazil we have so many people studying to be nurses…

]]> By: gbl3rd http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/09/outsourcing-nursing-education/#comment-35891 gbl3rd Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:05:18 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2007/09/18/outsourcing-nursing-education/#comment-35891 There already is: The Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences (USUHS), was established in 1972 by F. Edward Hebert, a Louisiana Congressman, and graduated its first class in 1980. The university is a center for military medical education and research. It is the United States' only fully accredited federal school of medicine (SOM) and graduate school of nursing. From Wikipedia There already is:

The Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences (USUHS), was established in 1972 by F. Edward Hebert, a Louisiana Congressman, and graduated its first class in 1980. The university is a center for military medical education and research. It is the United States’ only fully accredited federal school of medicine (SOM) and graduate school of nursing.

From Wikipedia

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