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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/09/b-e-c/#comment-36007</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They should flog all of them.</description>
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		<title>By: corsair the rational pirate</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/09/b-e-c/#comment-36006</link>
		<dc:creator>corsair the rational pirate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>flogging for the parents or the students?</description>
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		<title>By: allen</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/09/b-e-c/#comment-36005</link>
		<dc:creator>allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose flogging is out of the question.</description>
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		<title>By: timfromtexas</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/09/b-e-c/#comment-36004</link>
		<dc:creator>timfromtexas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, what&#039;s new here? This has been happening for decades. I taught 6 years at such a school in the sixties. At that time, of course, teachers used grade-books. Any teacher with any sense knew that all grade-books, tests, etc. had to be securely hidden, or taken home each day. If they were left in the locked classroom, they had to be devilishly hidden, because it didn&#039;t take a mental giant to break into a classroom. I suspect it doesn&#039;t still.

Now, I used the expression, mental giant, because the students that one had to be wary of breaking into the classroom were the students that wern&#039;t the mental giants their parents wanted and expected them to be. Many students in such schools are under extreme pressure to perform perfectly by their parents.

Of course, there is nothing wrong with parents having high expectations. However, when a teacher has students in class especially on a scheduled exam day, who perspire profusely during the exam, even though they had prepared as best they could, certain curcumstances are immediately evident. One of the circumstances,in my experience, is the parents of those children aren&#039;t intereted in the welfare of their children, but are expecting the children to make them look good no matter. So some of those students take the drastic actions to keep their parents happy.

This is a mild experience compared to some I could tell, but alas, I remain polite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, what&#8217;s new here? This has been happening for decades. I taught 6 years at such a school in the sixties. At that time, of course, teachers used grade-books. Any teacher with any sense knew that all grade-books, tests, etc. had to be securely hidden, or taken home each day. If they were left in the locked classroom, they had to be devilishly hidden, because it didn&#8217;t take a mental giant to break into a classroom. I suspect it doesn&#8217;t still.</p>
<p>Now, I used the expression, mental giant, because the students that one had to be wary of breaking into the classroom were the students that wern&#8217;t the mental giants their parents wanted and expected them to be. Many students in such schools are under extreme pressure to perform perfectly by their parents.</p>
<p>Of course, there is nothing wrong with parents having high expectations. However, when a teacher has students in class especially on a scheduled exam day, who perspire profusely during the exam, even though they had prepared as best they could, certain curcumstances are immediately evident. One of the circumstances,in my experience, is the parents of those children aren&#8217;t intereted in the welfare of their children, but are expecting the children to make them look good no matter. So some of those students take the drastic actions to keep their parents happy.</p>
<p>This is a mild experience compared to some I could tell, but alas, I remain polite.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda F</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/09/b-e-c/#comment-36003</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, such a CRIME should leave marks on their record.  This wasn&#039;t a spur-of-the-moment lark, with a student giving into the temptation of a test carelessly left out.

This was a planned activity, which brought in CO-CONSPIRATORS; they are lucky that the DA is willing to deal at all.

There is NO excuse for these kids - they&#039;ve had every advantage in life, and they still felt entitled to cheat without punishment?

Advanced Math HONORS?  They should completely lose the credit.  They have no honor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, such a CRIME should leave marks on their record.  This wasn&#8217;t a spur-of-the-moment lark, with a student giving into the temptation of a test carelessly left out.</p>
<p>This was a planned activity, which brought in CO-CONSPIRATORS; they are lucky that the DA is willing to deal at all.</p>
<p>There is NO excuse for these kids &#8211; they&#8217;ve had every advantage in life, and they still felt entitled to cheat without punishment?</p>
<p>Advanced Math HONORS?  They should completely lose the credit.  They have no honor.</p>
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		<title>By: stimulant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; things to look at (September 22nd - September 23rd)</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/09/b-e-c/#comment-36002</link>
		<dc:creator>stimulant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; things to look at (September 22nd - September 23rd)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] B &amp; E &amp; C at Joanne Jacobs - [...] </description>
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		<title>By: MTheads</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/09/b-e-c/#comment-36001</link>
		<dc:creator>MTheads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These kids have all the advantages of parents with money, status, and educations.  They most likely have computers at home, books, lessons, tutors, etc.  Now, they want the advantage of knowing the answers to tests that other kids--many without their advantages--have to answer fairly.  I wonder, did their parents get where they are through cheating?  How else to explain their reactions...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These kids have all the advantages of parents with money, status, and educations.  They most likely have computers at home, books, lessons, tutors, etc.  Now, they want the advantage of knowing the answers to tests that other kids&#8211;many without their advantages&#8211;have to answer fairly.  I wonder, did their parents get where they are through cheating?  How else to explain their reactions&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave J</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/09/b-e-c/#comment-36000</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...thinks b&amp;e is a police matter.&quot;

This is isn&#039;t just breaking and entering or trespass: unlawfully entering on the property of another with the intent to commit an offense therein is burglary, period.  Even letting them off with a misdemeanor is a double standard.  As a prosecutor myself, I&#039;d find it disgraceful if my colleagues in New Hampshire were to accede to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;thinks b&amp;e is a police matter.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is isn&#8217;t just breaking and entering or trespass: unlawfully entering on the property of another with the intent to commit an offense therein is burglary, period.  Even letting them off with a misdemeanor is a double standard.  As a prosecutor myself, I&#8217;d find it disgraceful if my colleagues in New Hampshire were to accede to that.</p>
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		<title>By: JorgXMcKie</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/09/b-e-c/#comment-35999</link>
		<dc:creator>JorgXMcKie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The desire for a double standard, one for me and mine and another for everyone else, never ends and is the best reason to be on guard for the misuse and/or usurpation of power.  While the students, and especially the parents, *should* be ashamed of themselves, I doubt if they would even understand why there should be any shame involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The desire for a double standard, one for me and mine and another for everyone else, never ends and is the best reason to be on guard for the misuse and/or usurpation of power.  While the students, and especially the parents, *should* be ashamed of themselves, I doubt if they would even understand why there should be any shame involved.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/09/b-e-c/#comment-35998</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The parents&#039; reaction is typical of the type of thinking that undermines our society in general and our schools in particular. If it were any of my children, my response to them would be that you get what you deserve. You broke into and were caught stealing from someone&#039;s private property. Accept the consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The parents&#8217; reaction is typical of the type of thinking that undermines our society in general and our schools in particular. If it were any of my children, my response to them would be that you get what you deserve. You broke into and were caught stealing from someone&#8217;s private property. Accept the consequences.</p>
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