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		<title>By: david foster</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/08/showing-off-tech-toys/#comment-35487</link>
		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;considering that money seems to be more important than education to most folks, what do I expect?&quot;...this country spends a tremendous amount of money on education in multiple forms. This kind of snideness does not encourage people to believe that the money is being spent in a responsible manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;considering that money seems to be more important than education to most folks, what do I expect?&#8221;&#8230;this country spends a tremendous amount of money on education in multiple forms. This kind of snideness does not encourage people to believe that the money is being spent in a responsible manner.</p>
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		<title>By: Ragnarok</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/08/showing-off-tech-toys/#comment-35486</link>
		<dc:creator>Ragnarok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 05:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At work we have access to state-of-the-art electronic communication technology of all kinds, and I assure you that we engineers don&#039;t use it.  Regular whiteboards and chalk-talks are far better than fancy electronic presentations, including PowerPoint.

Most engineers will tell you that a PowerPoint presentation&#039;s dazzling effects are matched only by its shallowness.

Chalk-talks are harder to fake, and therefore intellectually more honest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At work we have access to state-of-the-art electronic communication technology of all kinds, and I assure you that we engineers don&#8217;t use it.  Regular whiteboards and chalk-talks are far better than fancy electronic presentations, including PowerPoint.</p>
<p>Most engineers will tell you that a PowerPoint presentation&#8217;s dazzling effects are matched only by its shallowness.</p>
<p>Chalk-talks are harder to fake, and therefore intellectually more honest.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/08/showing-off-tech-toys/#comment-35485</link>
		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 04:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Highland HL1610 Overhead Projector (Amazon): $123.36

Recent (3 years ago) quote from local paper on funding for an Active Board (including wiring, installation, and teacher training): 2 for $14800, thus, 1 for $7,400 

Since one Active board would cost more than 56 times the Overhead Projector, yes, I say &quot;other people&#039;s money.&quot;  

(at office depot, I see a 3M overhead projector for $319.99.  Still, for the cost of one active board, one can buy 23 overhead projectors.  Each teacher can have his own!)

If the attraction of the white board is to display computer printouts, or screen shots, couldn&#039;t one print onto transparency film? (at office depot, $41.99 for 50 sheets of color laser printer).  Films can be reused?  And a school system should be able to buy in bulk?

From your complaint about parts, it sounds as if your purchasing and supply department faces challenges.  If they can&#039;t handle overhead projectors, what will they do when an active board breaks down?

If more money were buying a better education, I&#039;d be all for it.  However, when I see public money thrown away, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth.  My kids attend a school which has white boards.  I have yet to hear a compelling use case for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Highland HL1610 Overhead Projector (Amazon): $123.36</p>
<p>Recent (3 years ago) quote from local paper on funding for an Active Board (including wiring, installation, and teacher training): 2 for $14800, thus, 1 for $7,400 </p>
<p>Since one Active board would cost more than 56 times the Overhead Projector, yes, I say &#8220;other people&#8217;s money.&#8221;  </p>
<p>(at office depot, I see a 3M overhead projector for $319.99.  Still, for the cost of one active board, one can buy 23 overhead projectors.  Each teacher can have his own!)</p>
<p>If the attraction of the white board is to display computer printouts, or screen shots, couldn&#8217;t one print onto transparency film? (at office depot, $41.99 for 50 sheets of color laser printer).  Films can be reused?  And a school system should be able to buy in bulk?</p>
<p>From your complaint about parts, it sounds as if your purchasing and supply department faces challenges.  If they can&#8217;t handle overhead projectors, what will they do when an active board breaks down?</p>
<p>If more money were buying a better education, I&#8217;d be all for it.  However, when I see public money thrown away, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth.  My kids attend a school which has white boards.  I have yet to hear a compelling use case for them.</p>
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		<title>By: joycem</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/08/showing-off-tech-toys/#comment-35484</link>
		<dc:creator>joycem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 04:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JK--spoken by someone who&#039;s never tried to jump through all those dang hoops.  When the roller sheets are unavailable because they are no longer made, that means that teachers must then write on individual transparency sheets or wash the glass when it is full.  Unfortunately, that means that if you need to scroll back to get the information you wrote down previously, it&#039;s not there.  Or you sort through pages of transparency sheets.

Either that, or you spend several hours washing off a full transparency roller to reuse it.  Geez, what a wonderful use of teacher time and taxpayer dollars spent paying that teacher.

It&#039;s also an issue that it&#039;s hard to get decent quality, durable overheads.

It&#039;s easy to whine &quot;other people&#039;s money&quot; when you aren&#039;t the one wrestling with equipment that doesn&#039;t work, can&#039;t be fixed, can&#039;t be replaced, because the parts either don&#039;t exist any more, can&#039;t be ordered, or no one knows what you do to fix them.

Considering that in my school, the PTA made the choice to buy the technology, I&#039;d say your pocket&#039;s safe.

Then again, considering that money seems to be more important than education to most folks, what do I expect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JK&#8211;spoken by someone who&#8217;s never tried to jump through all those dang hoops.  When the roller sheets are unavailable because they are no longer made, that means that teachers must then write on individual transparency sheets or wash the glass when it is full.  Unfortunately, that means that if you need to scroll back to get the information you wrote down previously, it&#8217;s not there.  Or you sort through pages of transparency sheets.</p>
<p>Either that, or you spend several hours washing off a full transparency roller to reuse it.  Geez, what a wonderful use of teacher time and taxpayer dollars spent paying that teacher.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also an issue that it&#8217;s hard to get decent quality, durable overheads.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to whine &#8220;other people&#8217;s money&#8221; when you aren&#8217;t the one wrestling with equipment that doesn&#8217;t work, can&#8217;t be fixed, can&#8217;t be replaced, because the parts either don&#8217;t exist any more, can&#8217;t be ordered, or no one knows what you do to fix them.</p>
<p>Considering that in my school, the PTA made the choice to buy the technology, I&#8217;d say your pocket&#8217;s safe.</p>
<p>Then again, considering that money seems to be more important than education to most folks, what do I expect?</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/08/showing-off-tech-toys/#comment-35483</link>
		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could replace the bulbs, or the overheads themselves, for far less money than an active board, especially when one adds in the peripherals.  Of course, the schools are spending other people&#039;s money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could replace the bulbs, or the overheads themselves, for far less money than an active board, especially when one adds in the peripherals.  Of course, the schools are spending other people&#8217;s money.</p>
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		<title>By: joycem</title>
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		<dc:creator>joycem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, right now the electronic technology looks pretty good, especially the whiteboard imaging stuff.

What it is replacing are those overheads with bulbs that don&#039;t work, that don&#039;t focus worth a hoot, that need to be cleaned regularly because the rollers aren&#039;t stocked any more, and can be used more effectively in regular classroom light without dimming the lights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, right now the electronic technology looks pretty good, especially the whiteboard imaging stuff.</p>
<p>What it is replacing are those overheads with bulbs that don&#8217;t work, that don&#8217;t focus worth a hoot, that need to be cleaned regularly because the rollers aren&#8217;t stocked any more, and can be used more effectively in regular classroom light without dimming the lights.</p>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/08/showing-off-tech-toys/#comment-35481</link>
		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like too many school districts are &quot;investing&quot; lots of $ in technology because it&#039;s kewl, rather than because they have any real idea of how it can be used to support their missions. Which makes about as much sense as a manufacturing business ordering a bunch of lathes, milling machines, etc and expecting these devices to somehow organize themselves into a rational production process.

Michael Schrage, who actually knows something about technology and its uses, has some relevant thoughts: &lt;a href=&quot;http://photoncourier.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_photoncourier_archive.html#114315083660034414&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;All Rousseau and No Epictetus&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like too many school districts are &#8220;investing&#8221; lots of $ in technology because it&#8217;s kewl, rather than because they have any real idea of how it can be used to support their missions. Which makes about as much sense as a manufacturing business ordering a bunch of lathes, milling machines, etc and expecting these devices to somehow organize themselves into a rational production process.</p>
<p>Michael Schrage, who actually knows something about technology and its uses, has some relevant thoughts: <a href="http://photoncourier.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_photoncourier_archive.html#114315083660034414" rel="nofollow">All Rousseau and No Epictetus</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: SuperSub</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/08/showing-off-tech-toys/#comment-35480</link>
		<dc:creator>SuperSub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike - motivation due to the use of technology will wear off as the practice becomes commonplace. Is the short-term benefit worth the cost when it maight be spent on something that produces long-term benefits?

I&#039;m all for technology that eases the workload for teachers... and if the whiteboards achieve this, then I&#039;m all for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike &#8211; motivation due to the use of technology will wear off as the practice becomes commonplace. Is the short-term benefit worth the cost when it maight be spent on something that produces long-term benefits?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for technology that eases the workload for teachers&#8230; and if the whiteboards achieve this, then I&#8217;m all for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ragnarok</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/08/showing-off-tech-toys/#comment-35479</link>
		<dc:creator>Ragnarok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

I&#039;ve generally had a tough time with electronic pens.  When I use one (for UPS, or to sign a credit card slip), it feels awkward and the output looks nothing like my regular handwriting - less legible.

I think pencils give you good tactile feedback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve generally had a tough time with electronic pens.  When I use one (for UPS, or to sign a credit card slip), it feels awkward and the output looks nothing like my regular handwriting &#8211; less legible.</p>
<p>I think pencils give you good tactile feedback.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike in Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ragnorak,

Honestly don&#039;t have a clue, I&#039;ve never had a whiteboard to use.  But a 5 year old wouldn&#039;t be writing with a pen but would use a pencil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ragnorak,</p>
<p>Honestly don&#8217;t have a clue, I&#8217;ve never had a whiteboard to use.  But a 5 year old wouldn&#8217;t be writing with a pen but would use a pencil.</p>
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