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	<title>Comments on: Principal wants teachers, not dollars</title>
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		<title>By: LA teachers choose charter at Joanne Jacobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>LA teachers choose charter at Joanne Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 15:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] school, to sign a charter petition. Green Dot plans to turn Locke into 10 small schools. Principal Frank Wells, who criticized the district bureaucracy and backed Green Dot, was fired and escorted from the [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/05/principal-wants-teachers-not-dollars/#comment-33256</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 04:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a multi-layered story. It&#039;s not just one lone voice in the wilderness; it&#039;s also a heavily budget-centric school district who wants to maintain total control over all administrative aspects of Los Angeles public education. They&#039;re also in the fight of their lives because of Villaraigosa&#039;s insistence that he take control of a goodly portion of the district.

Aside from the (relatively) few quality teachers in that district, LAUSD has been on a steady implosion course for the past several years. I don&#039;t think, really, they ever recovered from the bussing fiascos of the 70&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a multi-layered story. It&#8217;s not just one lone voice in the wilderness; it&#8217;s also a heavily budget-centric school district who wants to maintain total control over all administrative aspects of Los Angeles public education. They&#8217;re also in the fight of their lives because of Villaraigosa&#8217;s insistence that he take control of a goodly portion of the district.</p>
<p>Aside from the (relatively) few quality teachers in that district, LAUSD has been on a steady implosion course for the past several years. I don&#8217;t think, really, they ever recovered from the bussing fiascos of the 70&#8242;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 17:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for the same reason that policemen aren&#039;t randomly assigned to bomb disposal duty: proper training, career choice, pay structure.

education and social intervention are not identical jobs -- even when they overlap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for the same reason that policemen aren&#8217;t randomly assigned to bomb disposal duty: proper training, career choice, pay structure.</p>
<p>education and social intervention are not identical jobs &#8212; even when they overlap.</p>
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		<title>By: wayne martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>wayne martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 15:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Former Supt. Romer wanted to be able to force 
&gt; teachers to teach wherever he saw fit to assign 
&gt; them, which wouldnâ€™t be terribly good for morale 
&gt; or retentionâ€¦.

Firemen are assigned to fight dangerous fires, policemen are assigned to dangerous neighborhoods, bomb disposal personnel are assigned to dangerous situations which could result in the end of their lives on each assignment .. the list goes on and on ..

So what makes you think that teachers should be considered &quot;professionals&quot; if they are not willing to work in dangerous places like other public service employees?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Former Supt. Romer wanted to be able to force<br />
&gt; teachers to teach wherever he saw fit to assign<br />
&gt; them, which wouldnâ€™t be terribly good for morale<br />
&gt; or retentionâ€¦.</p>
<p>Firemen are assigned to fight dangerous fires, policemen are assigned to dangerous neighborhoods, bomb disposal personnel are assigned to dangerous situations which could result in the end of their lives on each assignment .. the list goes on and on ..</p>
<p>So what makes you think that teachers should be considered &#8220;professionals&#8221; if they are not willing to work in dangerous places like other public service employees?</p>
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		<title>By: allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 15:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well let&#039;s see.

The unions look out for the interests of the teachers, more or less. The administration looks out for its own interests as does the school board. 

Who&#039;s unadulterated goal is to look out for the needs of the kids and how much influence does that bunch have?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well let&#8217;s see.</p>
<p>The unions look out for the interests of the teachers, more or less. The administration looks out for its own interests as does the school board. </p>
<p>Who&#8217;s unadulterated goal is to look out for the needs of the kids and how much influence does that bunch have?</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/05/principal-wants-teachers-not-dollars/#comment-33252</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 11:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why is it so hard to enable strong principals to enact reform at their schools?  why do school boards and even administrations (plus unions) continually put the adults ahead of the needs of the kids?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why is it so hard to enable strong principals to enact reform at their schools?  why do school boards and even administrations (plus unions) continually put the adults ahead of the needs of the kids?</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Strauss</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/05/principal-wants-teachers-not-dollars/#comment-33251</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Strauss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 06:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an example of where the ability of a principal to pay incentives to get quality teachers would probably have an impact.

I don&#039;t know too many teachers who would volunteer to transfer to Locke. My school is one of the alternatives to Locke -- and Washington and Fremont -- but our enrollment is only 360 (one reason our school has a graduation rate about 60% higher than Locke). One of our foreign language teachers began her career at Locke and has no desire to return there. Former Supt. Romer wanted to be able to force teachers to teach wherever he saw fit to assign them, which wouldn&#039;t be terribly good for morale or retention....

So Principal Wells has all this money... He can buy mountains of new text books but without enough &quot;quality teachers&quot; what good are those book? He can equip his classrooms with state of the art technology but without enough quality teachers the equipment is likely to go to waste.

There isn&#039;t a level playing field when it comes to hiring quality teachers. Geography, neighborhood safety, reputation, and challenging students make schools like Locke less desirable to most teachers. Offering incentive pay could level the playing field.

One more thing: it is important to consider, when discussing a school such as Locke, that there are already quality teachers there. I know some myself. They might be in the minority which makes them even more outstanding. They put up with a lot of crap every day in their classrooms, in the hallways, and then they get dumped on along with the rest of the school by the press, the public, and the politicians....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an example of where the ability of a principal to pay incentives to get quality teachers would probably have an impact.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know too many teachers who would volunteer to transfer to Locke. My school is one of the alternatives to Locke &#8212; and Washington and Fremont &#8212; but our enrollment is only 360 (one reason our school has a graduation rate about 60% higher than Locke). One of our foreign language teachers began her career at Locke and has no desire to return there. Former Supt. Romer wanted to be able to force teachers to teach wherever he saw fit to assign them, which wouldn&#8217;t be terribly good for morale or retention&#8230;.</p>
<p>So Principal Wells has all this money&#8230; He can buy mountains of new text books but without enough &#8220;quality teachers&#8221; what good are those book? He can equip his classrooms with state of the art technology but without enough quality teachers the equipment is likely to go to waste.</p>
<p>There isn&#8217;t a level playing field when it comes to hiring quality teachers. Geography, neighborhood safety, reputation, and challenging students make schools like Locke less desirable to most teachers. Offering incentive pay could level the playing field.</p>
<p>One more thing: it is important to consider, when discussing a school such as Locke, that there are already quality teachers there. I know some myself. They might be in the minority which makes them even more outstanding. They put up with a lot of crap every day in their classrooms, in the hallways, and then they get dumped on along with the rest of the school by the press, the public, and the politicians&#8230;.</p>
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