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		<title>By: Larry Strauss</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/04/history-without-offense/#comment-32507</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Strauss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 01:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-----------In a world where political correctness (social Marxism), identity politics, biased media and unaccountable teachers/school boardsâ€”itâ€™s difficult to believe that a teacher (or anyone else for that matter) can say â€œgood morningâ€™ to his/her class and not â€œoffendâ€ someone.

I can well imagine that could be the case for some teachers in some schools -- perhaps many, perhaps even a majority -- but for me it has never been true.

Students over the years have played the race card with me, usually as one of many acts of limits testing -- but such gestures are quickly dispatched. I have found that if I am fair, that if I work hard for my students and harrass them the way a good parent does to make them do better, then none of that matters. I can even make fun of students -- and they can return the favor -- without any offense taken.

These are fascinating times in which we live and you are right to connnect political correctness fanatics with tolerance of religious fanaticism, even when it becomes religious persecution....

I for one am not ready to surrender to such forces.

Including the watering down of history so as to &quot;be useless to the average student later in life.&quot;

Subversive educators unite!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;In a world where political correctness (social Marxism), identity politics, biased media and unaccountable teachers/school boardsâ€”itâ€™s difficult to believe that a teacher (or anyone else for that matter) can say â€œgood morningâ€™ to his/her class and not â€œoffendâ€ someone.</p>
<p>I can well imagine that could be the case for some teachers in some schools &#8212; perhaps many, perhaps even a majority &#8212; but for me it has never been true.</p>
<p>Students over the years have played the race card with me, usually as one of many acts of limits testing &#8212; but such gestures are quickly dispatched. I have found that if I am fair, that if I work hard for my students and harrass them the way a good parent does to make them do better, then none of that matters. I can even make fun of students &#8212; and they can return the favor &#8212; without any offense taken.</p>
<p>These are fascinating times in which we live and you are right to connnect political correctness fanatics with tolerance of religious fanaticism, even when it becomes religious persecution&#8230;.</p>
<p>I for one am not ready to surrender to such forces.</p>
<p>Including the watering down of history so as to &#8220;be useless to the average student later in life.&#8221;</p>
<p>Subversive educators unite!</p>
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		<title>By: wayne martin</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/04/history-without-offense/#comment-32506</link>
		<dc:creator>wayne martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; What I meant by â€œsafe and reliable methodsâ€ has 
&gt; to do with the means by which to deal with such 
&gt; topics without alienating some students and 
&gt; angering others.

In a world where political correctness (social Marxism), identity politics, biased media and unaccountable teachers/school boardsâ€”itâ€™s difficult to believe that a teacher (or anyone else for that matter) can say â€œgood morningâ€™ to his/her class and not â€œoffendâ€ someone.  This situation multiplies a million fold in the â€œreal worldâ€.  Remember the riots that ensued recently when a Danish newspaper ran a cartoon that showed an Mohamed-like character with a turban that looked like a bomb.  People got killed over that.

Rather than seeing any criticism of Islam in the public domain as a â€œhuman rightâ€, the Islamic countries are now trying to obtain â€œreliefâ€ from this sort of scrutiny from the UN:
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UN rights council adopts global religious defamation act
AP via JPost ^ &#124; 3/30/7

Islamic countries pushed through a resolution at the UN Human Rights Council on Friday urging a global prohibition on the public defamation of religion, a response largely to the furor last year over caricatures published in a Danish newspaper of the Muslim Prophet Muhammad.
The statement proposed by the Organization of Islamic Conference addressed what it called a &quot;campaign&quot; against Muslim minorities and the Islamic religion around the world since the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in the United States.
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One can only wonder if a history teacher stating that Islam expanded out of the Middle East via violent occupation of many countries where it is now practiced would be in violation of some UN resolution or â€œlawâ€?
 
Given all the â€œlandminesâ€ that teaching history injects into a public school system, itâ€™s quite possible that history will be so watered down in the future as to be useless to the average student in later life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; What I meant by â€œsafe and reliable methodsâ€ has<br />
&gt; to do with the means by which to deal with such<br />
&gt; topics without alienating some students and<br />
&gt; angering others.</p>
<p>In a world where political correctness (social Marxism), identity politics, biased media and unaccountable teachers/school boardsâ€”itâ€™s difficult to believe that a teacher (or anyone else for that matter) can say â€œgood morningâ€™ to his/her class and not â€œoffendâ€ someone.  This situation multiplies a million fold in the â€œreal worldâ€.  Remember the riots that ensued recently when a Danish newspaper ran a cartoon that showed an Mohamed-like character with a turban that looked like a bomb.  People got killed over that.</p>
<p>Rather than seeing any criticism of Islam in the public domain as a â€œhuman rightâ€, the Islamic countries are now trying to obtain â€œreliefâ€ from this sort of scrutiny from the UN:<br />
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UN rights council adopts global religious defamation act<br />
AP via JPost ^ | 3/30/7</p>
<p>Islamic countries pushed through a resolution at the UN Human Rights Council on Friday urging a global prohibition on the public defamation of religion, a response largely to the furor last year over caricatures published in a Danish newspaper of the Muslim Prophet Muhammad.<br />
The statement proposed by the Organization of Islamic Conference addressed what it called a &#8220;campaign&#8221; against Muslim minorities and the Islamic religion around the world since the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in the United States.<br />
&#8212;</p>
<p>One can only wonder if a history teacher stating that Islam expanded out of the Middle East via violent occupation of many countries where it is now practiced would be in violation of some UN resolution or â€œlawâ€?</p>
<p>Given all the â€œlandminesâ€ that teaching history injects into a public school system, itâ€™s quite possible that history will be so watered down in the future as to be useless to the average student in later life.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Strauss</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/04/history-without-offense/#comment-32505</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Strauss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Wayne, there is plenty of documentation available. What I meant by &quot;safe and reliable methods&quot; has to do with the means by which to deal with such topics without alienating some students and angering others.

I realize that you might well imagine that the phrase &quot;help teachers acquire&quot; could translate into millions of tax dollars of professional development with no real accountability and uncertain results.

Let me be the first in this discussion to say that no, I wouldn&#039;t want that.

But if a teacher can establish him or herself as an unbiased expert, can gain the trust of students and force alliances based upon justice and not race or creed -- even if students do not entirely buy in -- then that teacher can create an environmnet in which history can be taught without the kind of personal identification that leads to hurt feelings and &quot;alienation.&quot;

Dealing with overzealous parents is another battle -- one worth fighting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Wayne, there is plenty of documentation available. What I meant by &#8220;safe and reliable methods&#8221; has to do with the means by which to deal with such topics without alienating some students and angering others.</p>
<p>I realize that you might well imagine that the phrase &#8220;help teachers acquire&#8221; could translate into millions of tax dollars of professional development with no real accountability and uncertain results.</p>
<p>Let me be the first in this discussion to say that no, I wouldn&#8217;t want that.</p>
<p>But if a teacher can establish him or herself as an unbiased expert, can gain the trust of students and force alliances based upon justice and not race or creed &#8212; even if students do not entirely buy in &#8212; then that teacher can create an environmnet in which history can be taught without the kind of personal identification that leads to hurt feelings and &#8220;alienation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dealing with overzealous parents is another battle &#8212; one worth fighting.</p>
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		<title>By: wayne martin</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/04/history-without-offense/#comment-32504</link>
		<dc:creator>wayne martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; How many teachers would want to teach about that
&gt; in a New York or Boston area HS with a large 
&gt; African American and Irish student population?

Depends on the depth of the discussion.  As it turns out, ending Slavery was not the main reason Lincoln chose to go to war with the Southern States of the Confederacy.  The reasons for the Civil War are inexorably tied up in the continuation and the abolition of Slaveryâ€”but Lincoln openly stated he would not actively work to abolish Slavery if the Southern States would return to the Union.  Lincolnâ€™s War (ca 1861) was to save the Union.

The Draft Riots were one of many such events that occurred as acts of resistance by Northerners to Mr. Lincolnâ€™s War.

&gt; Rather than shy away from difficult issues, we 
&gt; (and those Brits) ought to help teachers acquire 
&gt; safe and reliable methods to help students become 
&gt; enlightened without being offended.

The Internet is full of documentation.  Google/Books has put vast numbers of books on-line that deal with this, and other topics.  While there is no reason that the State DoE shouldnâ€™t have readers and reading lists that deal with every segment of American and World History.  Failing that, it wouldnâ€™t take any history teacher more than a few hours to put together reasonable reading lists for his/her class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; How many teachers would want to teach about that<br />
&gt; in a New York or Boston area HS with a large<br />
&gt; African American and Irish student population?</p>
<p>Depends on the depth of the discussion.  As it turns out, ending Slavery was not the main reason Lincoln chose to go to war with the Southern States of the Confederacy.  The reasons for the Civil War are inexorably tied up in the continuation and the abolition of Slaveryâ€”but Lincoln openly stated he would not actively work to abolish Slavery if the Southern States would return to the Union.  Lincolnâ€™s War (ca 1861) was to save the Union.</p>
<p>The Draft Riots were one of many such events that occurred as acts of resistance by Northerners to Mr. Lincolnâ€™s War.</p>
<p>&gt; Rather than shy away from difficult issues, we<br />
&gt; (and those Brits) ought to help teachers acquire<br />
&gt; safe and reliable methods to help students become<br />
&gt; enlightened without being offended.</p>
<p>The Internet is full of documentation.  Google/Books has put vast numbers of books on-line that deal with this, and other topics.  While there is no reason that the State DoE shouldnâ€™t have readers and reading lists that deal with every segment of American and World History.  Failing that, it wouldnâ€™t take any history teacher more than a few hours to put together reasonable reading lists for his/her class.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Strauss</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/04/history-without-offense/#comment-32503</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Strauss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>---This is disturbing but neither suprising nor shocking. Isnâ€™t that how Europe got into WWII in the first placeâ€¦â€Weâ€™ll just look the other way Mr. Hitler while you take over Poland. You promise youâ€™ll leave us alone, right?â€

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And let&#039;s not forget that we too looked the other way.
It was the anti-simetic rantings (in the company newsletter) of Henry Ford that helped inspire Hitler and convinced him that we would not object to his solution to Germany&#039;s &quot;Jewish problem.&quot;

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History is full of sensitive subjects -- many of them ignored for various reasons.

The largest riot in United States history was staged by recent Irish immigrants against conscription into the Union army during the Civil War. They burned an orphanage full of black children.

How many teachers would want to teach about that in a New York or Boston area HS with a large African American and Irish student population?

You would have to do a bit of work to help students to transcend those ethnic identities and not be angry at each other and even if one did that it could be rather challenging to say the least....

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Rather than shy away from difficult issues, we (and those Brits) ought to help teachers acquire safe and reliable methods to help students become enlightened without being offended.

Add that one to every standard in every state and district and every country in the free world. And test the children on it!

Again, I want to know about those Brittish teachers who do manage to teach the &quot;controversial&quot; aspects of history...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8212;This is disturbing but neither suprising nor shocking. Isnâ€™t that how Europe got into WWII in the first placeâ€¦â€Weâ€™ll just look the other way Mr. Hitler while you take over Poland. You promise youâ€™ll leave us alone, right?â€</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not forget that we too looked the other way.<br />
It was the anti-simetic rantings (in the company newsletter) of Henry Ford that helped inspire Hitler and convinced him that we would not object to his solution to Germany&#8217;s &#8220;Jewish problem.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>History is full of sensitive subjects &#8212; many of them ignored for various reasons.</p>
<p>The largest riot in United States history was staged by recent Irish immigrants against conscription into the Union army during the Civil War. They burned an orphanage full of black children.</p>
<p>How many teachers would want to teach about that in a New York or Boston area HS with a large African American and Irish student population?</p>
<p>You would have to do a bit of work to help students to transcend those ethnic identities and not be angry at each other and even if one did that it could be rather challenging to say the least&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Rather than shy away from difficult issues, we (and those Brits) ought to help teachers acquire safe and reliable methods to help students become enlightened without being offended.</p>
<p>Add that one to every standard in every state and district and every country in the free world. And test the children on it!</p>
<p>Again, I want to know about those Brittish teachers who do manage to teach the &#8220;controversial&#8221; aspects of history&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Strauss</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/04/history-without-offense/#comment-32502</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Strauss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of my [Robert Wright&#039;s] 7th graders know nothing about WWII, the Holocaust or Hitler. Nothing.

In the olden days, before â€œstandards,â€ Iâ€™d take three weeks and thatâ€™s all weâ€™d do.

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Who left the Holocaust out of the standards?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of my [Robert Wright's] 7th graders know nothing about WWII, the Holocaust or Hitler. Nothing.</p>
<p>In the olden days, before â€œstandards,â€ Iâ€™d take three weeks and thatâ€™s all weâ€™d do.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Who left the Holocaust out of the standards?</p>
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		<title>By: Lynda</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/04/history-without-offense/#comment-32501</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is disturbing but neither suprising nor shocking.  Isn&#039;t that how Europe got into WWII in the first place...&quot;We&#039;ll just look the other way Mr. Hitler while you take over Poland.  You promise you&#039;ll leave us alone, right?&quot;  

Good lord, it hasn&#039;t even been a hundred years.  Pretty soon, the next generation will be asking...&quot;There was a World War II?  I saw it in this movie the other day...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is disturbing but neither suprising nor shocking.  Isn&#8217;t that how Europe got into WWII in the first place&#8230;&#8221;We&#8217;ll just look the other way Mr. Hitler while you take over Poland.  You promise you&#8217;ll leave us alone, right?&#8221;  </p>
<p>Good lord, it hasn&#8217;t even been a hundred years.  Pretty soon, the next generation will be asking&#8230;&#8221;There was a World War II?  I saw it in this movie the other day&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/04/history-without-offense/#comment-32500</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 03:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who decides what is to be taught? And why?

I don&#039;t know.

The Holocaust for me is touchstone for a great deal of my thought. Why? I don&#039;t know. But it is.

(Let me add that I&#039;m 56, I&#039;m not Jewish, I like Jimmy Carter&#039;s take on Israel and Palestine.)

Most of my 7th graders no nothing about WWII, the Holocaust or Hitler. Nothing.

In the olden days, before &quot;standards,&quot; I&#039;d take three weeks and that&#039;s all we&#039;d do.

There used to be a sign in my classroom that I made that said, &quot;There are six million reasons to learn history.&quot;

If I were in charge, the Holocaust would be taught at several grade levels in literature as well as social studies. 

Several grade levels? Maybe every grade level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who decides what is to be taught? And why?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>The Holocaust for me is touchstone for a great deal of my thought. Why? I don&#8217;t know. But it is.</p>
<p>(Let me add that I&#8217;m 56, I&#8217;m not Jewish, I like Jimmy Carter&#8217;s take on Israel and Palestine.)</p>
<p>Most of my 7th graders no nothing about WWII, the Holocaust or Hitler. Nothing.</p>
<p>In the olden days, before &#8220;standards,&#8221; I&#8217;d take three weeks and that&#8217;s all we&#8217;d do.</p>
<p>There used to be a sign in my classroom that I made that said, &#8220;There are six million reasons to learn history.&#8221;</p>
<p>If I were in charge, the Holocaust would be taught at several grade levels in literature as well as social studies. </p>
<p>Several grade levels? Maybe every grade level.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/04/history-without-offense/#comment-32499</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 22:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to wonder at how Europe sleepwalked into fascism in the 1930s.

I wonder no longer....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to wonder at how Europe sleepwalked into fascism in the 1930s.</p>
<p>I wonder no longer&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Leonard</title>
		<link>http://www.joannejacobs.com/2007/04/history-without-offense/#comment-32498</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Leonard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 21:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If &quot;public history&quot; is the history that people are willing to accept, my great concern is that the history most people will come to believe will be something on the order of Stone&#039;s version of the JFK assassination, Clooney&#039;s version of the McCarthy era, or Griffith&#039;s version of reconstruction and the noble Ku Klux Klan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If &#8220;public history&#8221; is the history that people are willing to accept, my great concern is that the history most people will come to believe will be something on the order of Stone&#8217;s version of the JFK assassination, Clooney&#8217;s version of the McCarthy era, or Griffith&#8217;s version of reconstruction and the noble Ku Klux Klan.</p>
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